• cpursley a day ago

    I've been thinking a lot about how to accomplish various RAG things in Elixir (for LLM applications). PDF is one of the missing pieces, so glad to see work here. The really tricky part is not just parsing out the text (you can just call the pdftotext unix command line utility for that), but accurately pulling out things like complex tables, etc in a way that could be chunked/post processed in a useful way. I'd love to see something like Unstructured or Marker but in Rust (i.e., fast) that Elixir could NIF out to it. And maybe some kind of hybrid system that uses open llm models with vision capabilities. Ref:

    - https://github.com/Unstructured-IO/unstructured

    - https://github.com/VikParuchuri/marker

    • cpursley a day ago

      Well derp, I should have read the linked extractous repo. This looks like the extract solution I've been after (see what I did there).

      https://github.com/yobix-ai/extractous

      • bustylasercanon a day ago

        Yeah I could maybe highlight how good that library is in here

      • vikp a day ago

        Hey, I'm the author of marker - thanks for sharing. Most of the processing time is model inference right now. I've been retraining some models lately onto new architectures to improve speed (layout, tables, LaTeX OCR).

        We recently integrated gemini flash (via the --use_llm flag), which maybe moves us towards the "hybrid system" you mentioned. Hoping to add support for other APIs soon, but focusing on improving quality/speed now.

        Happy to chat if anyone wants to talk about the difficulties of parsing PDFs, or has feedback - email in profile.

        • cpursley a day ago

          Very cool, any plans for a dockerized API of marker similar to what Unstructured released? I know you have a very attractively priced serverless offering (https://www.datalab.to) but having something to develop against locally would be great (for those of us not in the Python world).

          • vikp a day ago

            It's on the list to build - been focusing on quality pretty heavily lately.

        • conradfr 14 hours ago

          Maybe just using pdftohtml instead of pdftotext.

          • cpursley 10 hours ago

            I experimented with it, it generates way too much noise. Cool utility, though!

          • constantinum 20 hours ago

            For instace Llamaparse(https://docs.llamaindex.ai/en/stable/llama_cloud/llama_parse...)uses LLMs for pdf text extraction, but the problem is hallucination. e.g > https://github.com/run-llama/llama_parse/issues/420

            There is also LLMWhisperer that preserves the layout(tables, checkboxes, forms)and hence the context. https://pg.llmwhisperer.unstract.com/

            • cpursley 10 hours ago

              Is this open source? Is it slow Python? That's where I'm stuck.

          • hinkley 5 hours ago

            The Achilles heel of the BEAM is that if it crashes in native code then it has no way to recover and its much vaunted robustness goes out the window. So writing native hooks in Rust makes it a bit harder to crash the whole VM.

            On the plus side it makes IPC pretty straightforward, so you can move the processes that need the native code (NIFs) to a separate VM if you’re feeling paranoid.

            • h0l0cube an hour ago

              Rustler actually wraps the NIF and passes the exception back to the caller

              > The library provides facilities for generating the boilerplate for interacting with the BEAM, handles encoding and decoding of Erlang terms, and catches rust panics before they unwind into C.

              https://github.com/rusterlium/rustler

            • joshchernoff a day ago

              FYI: your preview image from the html header meta tag is broken.

              • bustylasercanon a day ago

                Thanks! I need to fix that