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  • godelski 16 hours ago

    I do like the idea of mascots, but truthfully I think they are better done as non-human mascots and need to be simple. I think Japan got this right with Yura-chara[0]. There seems to be a strong preference for non-human characters and when there are human ones, they're still overly simplistic.

    Seems like same rule about flags[1]: a child should be able to draw it from memory.

    Only Barty seems to fit these conditions.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuru-chara

    [1] https://nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag

    • bobthepanda 14 hours ago

      Not for a transit system per se, but the ORCA farecard in Seattle has a mascot named Boop, who is an orca: https://info.myorca.com/news/meet-boop/

      • Reason077 10 hours ago

        There's quite a precedent of sea-related names for transit fare cards. Hong Kong's Octopus, London's Oyster, San Francisco's Clipper... any others I've missed?

        • rexpress 7 hours ago

          Opal in Sydney

          • thaumasiotes 7 hours ago

            Opals aren't sea-related.

        • godelski 10 hours ago

          I would feel offended if they chose anything else lol. But the orca mascot is cute. Well done Seattle

        • j4coh 3 hours ago

          I always thought this “a child should be able to draw it” thing was an even better example of a vaguely contrarian factoid that sort of makes you sound smart if you don’t think about it too much, so it becomes endlessly repeated. Which is an interesting phenomenon in its own way.

          • deeThrow94 14 minutes ago

            It's not a fact(oid) at all as it's not a statement about reality. it's a principle. You don't have to agree with it, but others might disagree about the quality of the flag you might produce avoiding it.

          • yellowapple 15 hours ago

            Agreed. Nyango Star is another example of this sort of mascot done right. He's an apple, a cat, and a heavy metal drummer; what's not to love?

            • spondylosaurus 14 hours ago

              The first BART mascot has a little blue chibi goat next to the human girl, and I can't tell if the chibi is supposed to be an alternate form of the girl or a completely separate entity, but either way it seems like it could be a solid yura-chara.

              • Lammy 16 hours ago

                > I think Japan got this right

                I like DPS-kun from beatmaniaⅡᴅx copula: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcfmIKKMu7Y

                They made a plush of him that's very cute too

                • throwaway314155 14 hours ago

                  > Seems like same rule about flags[1]: a child should be able to draw it from memory.

                  Im a grown ass man and can't draw the US flag properly from memory, much less the many far more complicated flags out there.

                  I don't think that definition is particularly useful.

                  • jonchurch_ 13 hours ago

                    It is a useful concept, and letting the whispers of the vexillophiles[0] into your head will lead you to see that most flags are well, pretty bad.

                    CGP Grey has a lot of opinions[1] about this.

                    [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexillology

                    [1] https://youtu.be/l4w6808wJcU

                    • godelski 7 hours ago

                      It's a "you should" kind of rule not a "everyone follows this with no exceptions" kind of rule. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I can think of an example of the latter

                      • thaumasiotes 6 hours ago

                        > It's a "you should" kind of rule not a "everyone follows this with no exceptions" kind of rule.

                        It's not a "you should" kind of rule either. It's something someone made up and wants to persuade other people of for no particular reason, similar to "don't split infinitives".

                        There is no benefit to having people be able to draw the flag accurately. A flag has two purposes:

                        1. Be easy to recognize.

                        2. Be visually impressive.

                        Two good flags are the flag of California and the flag of Saudi Arabia. You'd have a hard time drawing either one, but that's not a problem.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia

                        (Note also that I've seen a Spaniard claim her flag was easy to draw. She meant that it's easy to draw if you don't bother to draw the coat of arms.)

                    • imtringued 13 hours ago

                      They have non-human characters. The key mistake they made is that they put the human characters front and center. The human characters should appear in accompanying comics where they end up interacting with the animal mascots, not be the mascots themselves.

                    • kappasan 13 hours ago

                      We have something similar here in Kyoto! But we're Japan so there's an actual anime [1] and a character relationship chart [2], both straight from the city government.

                      [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OInuZFHeQo

                      [2] https://www.city.kyoto.lg.jp/kotsu/cmsfiles/contents/0000215...

                      • cosmicgadget 15 hours ago

                        > The reincarnated bunny spirit of a legacy car who has seen it all.

                        Not how I picture a BART car that has "seen it all".

                        • PaulRobinson 15 hours ago

                          I'm pretty well travelled across Europe and North America, and a little bit of South America.

                          I've never seen anything like the BART anywhere else - and I don't mean that in a positive way.

                          It's late where I am, I'm about to go to bed, and now this image of a BART car that has "seen it all" is going to haunt me... I might eat a load of cheese to calm the dreams down...

                          • cultofmetatron 15 hours ago

                            no kidding.. I lived in SF during the peak of the influx of tech and was a daily BART rider. there's things I can't unsee.

                            • Lammy 13 hours ago

                              I'm glad I got to experience the carpeted cars with cloth seats even if they got gross some times.

                              • cobbzilla 11 hours ago

                                Cloth seats on BART must be among the worst design decisions ever made. Seating on public transit must be something that can be hosed down with bleach, and not a material that will forever hold whatever funk is deposited into it.

                                • flomo 10 hours ago

                                  I took BART a lot (uhhh) 30 years ago. The trains were very clean and highly policed. I wouldn't even bring a coffee on board, much less smoke crank or whatever. Different era.

                                  • SllX 7 hours ago

                                    Sounds like the dream. All I want is a more frequent police presence in and around the station infrastructure and on the trains for both BART and MUNI. Like why is that a different era? Why can’t that be the current era?

                                  • Lammy 10 hours ago

                                    It was way more comfortable to sit on, soft surfaces help keep noise levels down inside the car, and I wash my clothes regularly :p

                              • spike021 14 hours ago

                                not sure about “seen it all” but definitely “screamed it all”. I haven’t ridden Bart in a while but i remember the banshee screeches.

                              • zghst 10 hours ago

                                This train has a lot more history than you think. Something, something about the NSA and mind-reading. You would not believe it.

                                The Anime Mascots are a good touch.

                                • romanpoet 16 hours ago

                                  This has precedence for the LA Metro in 2017.

                                  https://observer.com/2017/10/la-metro-promotes-transit-etiqu...

                                  • irusensei 6 hours ago

                                    Everything is better with anime characters

                                    • archagon 16 hours ago

                                      (I kind of unironically want every public service to have a cute mascot that could be turned into a plushie.)

                                      • bigcat12345678 7 hours ago

                                        Good, no wifi, but Mascots. Yeah, I'd like some price hike as well.

                                        • repeekad 16 hours ago

                                          Obligatory reminder that BART is going to run out of its emergency funding by spring 2026

                                          • ddtaylor 4 hours ago

                                            Everything in government is always failing. It's a funding mechanism.

                                            • echelon 7 hours ago

                                              Does that mean BART ceases operation?

                                              • thaumasiotes 6 hours ago

                                                The only way that could happen is if San Francisco was vacated. Most likely would be that they provide more "emergency" funding.

                                            • rKarpinski 11 hours ago

                                              Baylee is 6' 2"?

                                              • TulliusCicero 9 hours ago

                                                Oh damn the heights on the mascots are very anti-stereotypical, 6'2" for the woman and 5'2" for the dude.

                                                • CoastalCoder 4 hours ago

                                                  It's possible that some of the characters are written as trans-gender.

                                                  It would be consistent with (at least my conception of) SF's public messaging.

                                                • AStonesThrow 19 hours ago

                                                  This is really cute and friendly. I like it; very much in-character for the BART.

                                                  My own transit system has sort of developed two mascots. They are not as artful or clever as BART's, but they are designed with a utilitarian purpose: to demonstrate good vs. bad behavior while onboard.

                                                  https://www.valleymetro.org/blog/2019/10/quick-guide-light-r...

                                                  The characters are named "Right" and "Rong", both humanoids who are differentiated primarily by color and mood. Right, of course, does all the right things and abides by the rules, while Rong is a classic example of the scofflaw you wouldn't want sitting next to you.

                                                  • bitwize 16 hours ago

                                                    Reminds me of the perennial standbys from Highlights for Children, Goofus and Gallant.

                                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goofus_and_Gallant

                                                    • AStonesThrow 15 hours ago

                                                      Yes it is totally Goofus/Gallant style! Right down to the simplistic verse of the slogans in the window decals. Thanks for making that comparison. I am sure they drew from that fabled tradition, so to speak!

                                                  • notpushkin 9 hours ago

                                                    This is kinda cool, but... Coloring sheets? Seriously?

                                                    • zaptrem 16 hours ago

                                                      Lol why do the info sheets include blood type?

                                                      • creata 16 hours ago

                                                        Giving the blood type of the character is common in anime and manga. Wikipedia links it to a belief that blood type can predict personality.

                                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_personality_theory

                                                        • 29athrowaway 13 hours ago

                                                          You can also see it in Street Fighter II: The World Warrior.

                                                          • godelski 16 hours ago

                                                            Okay, but why are we importing pseudoscience?

                                                            • bitwize 16 hours ago

                                                              Because it's fun.

                                                              I don't believe astrology is real, but I've assigned birthdays to some of my characters based on zodiac signs which are said to align with their personality, simply because it's cute and fun. I was inspired by the characters of Sailor Moon, each of which have a birthday in a zodiac sign ruled by their associated planet. (So Moon is a Cancer, Mercury is a Virgo, etc.).

                                                              • godelski 16 hours ago

                                                                I guess to each their own. I can see how it can be fun but when zodiac signs are discussed it is disproportionately about more than "fun" and that certainly biases me (and I think many others).

                                                                • Lammy 16 hours ago

                                                                  Homestuck and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race (Terezi is my fav)

                                                          • joshdavham 16 hours ago

                                                            It’s from Japanese culture. Knowing a person’s (or a fictional character’s) blood type is something they find interesting. A bit like how we in the west find astrological signs interesting.

                                                            • UncleEntity 15 hours ago

                                                              For when BART police accidentally grabs their gun instead of their taser?

                                                            • neilv 13 hours ago

                                                              They're all female? I wonder whether the BART officials know all the connotations of different kinds of anime/manga fandom.

                                                              • saagarjha 12 hours ago

                                                                Look if you want to draw rule 34 of the BART mascot that's on you.