• Bjartr 16 minutes ago

    Isn't this back to attributing consciousness experience to an AI when you're actually just co-writing sci-fi? The system is doing it's best to coherently fill in the rest of a story that includes an AI that's been given a place to process its feelings. The most likely result, textually speaking, is not for the AI to ignore the private journal, but to indeed use it to (appear to) process emotion.

    Would any of these ideas been present had the system not been primed with the idea that it has them and needs to process them in the first place?

    • Mithriil 2 days ago

      Makes me think of the Google employee that had a conversation with Google's LLM back then, which got out and triggered a lot of discussions about consciousness, etc.

      • aswegs8 23 minutes ago

        Didn't he insist that the LLM has consciousness and get fired because of this?

      • jstanley 16 minutes ago

        I'm getting:

        > Error code: SSL_ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED_ALERT

        from Firefox, which I don't recall ever seeing before.

        • aswegs8 22 minutes ago

          I mean, what is consciousness, really? Is there really any qualitative difference? It feels like something that emerges out of complexity. Once models are able to update their weights real time and form "memories", does that make them conscious?

          • xeonmc 9 minutes ago

            Perhaps one day a criterion will be found for the equivalent of Turing-completeness but for consciousness — any system which contains the necessary elements of introspective complexity, no matter how varied or outlandish or inefficient in its implementation, would invariably develop consciousness over its course. Kind of like the handwaved premise in 17776.

            • andy99 6 minutes ago

              When I read comments like this (and I've read seemingly hundreds of them), I wonder if some other people aren't conscious / sentient? I don't know how anyone who experiences consciousness (as I experience it) could think that an algorithm could experience it.

              • jstanley 4 minutes ago

                I also read comments like that and wonder if other people aren't conscious.

                I don't know how anyone who experiences consciousness could be confused about what it means to be conscious, or (in other threads, not this one) could argue that consciousness is "an illusion". (Consciousness is not the illusion, it's the audience!).

                However I don't see why you don't think an algorithm could be conscious? Why do you think the processes that produce your own consciousness could not be computable?

                • ljlolel 4 minutes ago

                  Are bots writing those comments?

                • jstanley 15 minutes ago

                  You can't tell if another being is conscious without being on the inside of it.