• hyperhello a day ago

    The Hollow Men is from 1925. Try to read it like a beatnik poet, world-weary and confident, with finger snaps and bongo drums or a jazz orchestra in the background. Eliot was a fascinating fellow traveler person. My favorite site for his poems is here: https://mypoeticside.com/poets/t-s-eliot-poems

    • halJordan 3 hours ago

      There are recordings of TS Eliot reading this poem. So while we should imagine your desired reading for its own worth, a "beatnik" reading shouldn't be implied as the original reading

      • keiferski 15 hours ago

        I recommend the same thing for the actual beatniks themselves like Kerouac. You have to read it like spoken poetry, not merely written. This song uses lines from one of his stories and when set to music it fits perfectly.

        https://www.gilderlehrman.org/sites/default/files/inline-pdf...

        https://youtu.be/CMMBP19ma60?si=lB6gzWBtaZp2f_Oy

        • danans 10 hours ago

          Though their genres and styles were completely different, the timing of his work, its reflections on the trauma of WW1, and then his conversion to conservative Catholicism reminds me more of Tolkien.

          • dhosek 9 hours ago

            He wasn’t actually Catholic-Catholic, but Anglo-Catholic, a faction within the Anglican church which revived a lot of Catholic liturgical practices without entering into communion with Rome.

          • lemonberry 15 hours ago

            I find conjuring my inner Maynard G. Krebs helps a lot.

            • xhkkffbf 13 hours ago

              Yes, a funny character and a spot-on parody of the genre, but I found it really insightful to watch some interviews with Jack Kerouac to get a feel for his personality. It's a bit different from our rosy-eyed view of that era. He was harder and harsher than we want to imagine.

              • lemonberry 13 hours ago

                Absolutely. I still enjoy his books.

            • bryanrasmussen 11 hours ago

              The beatniks were most active in the 50s, maybe as early as the mid 40s, but definitely not 1925.

              • multjoy 12 hours ago

                He was also a virulent anti-semite

                • alkyon 12 hours ago

                  Like Wagner and lots of other artists around that time. Agatha Christie's most famous novel? - Ten Little Niggers. Jean Genet was a convicted criminal. I try to separate the work from the artist, even if it's difficult.

                  • multjoy 10 hours ago

                    OP doesn’t even acknowledge it.

                    Eliot chose, in 1948, when the Holocaust was common knowledge, to reprint a poem that contains the line:

                    >On the Rialto once./The rats are underneath the piles. The jew is underneath the lot.

                    That isn’t a poet following a common zeitgeist, that is a deliberate, provocative act.

                    • tptacek 3 hours ago

                      I think it's a valid and important observation, but it's not incumbent on someone bring up T.S. Eliot to offer a disclaimer about it, and you shouldn't write a comment that implies otherwise.

                  • danans 10 hours ago

                    Which was sadly not uncommon in those days. The Nazi party had a significant following in both the US and the UK at that time.

              • strken 15 hours ago

                Here's my favourite reading: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nwcP3NOCeiE.

                • rikroots 9 hours ago

                  I was going to respond saying how much I dislike the way the narrator reads the poem - like a vicar 45 minutes into an overlong Sunday sermon, as bored as the congregation - then I saw the OP article included a link to Eliot reading his own poem. And that one sounds like the vicar now entering the third hour of his overlong Sunday sermon. So I have to agree: your favourite reading is the better reading of the poem.

                • zabzonk 16 hours ago

                  For those interested in Eliot, the BBC has a lot of stuff (criticism, recordings, etc.) in various places. Just search for "bbc ts eliot".

                  • every 9 hours ago

                    This is the poem I used for speech contests in high school...