> The tax strategies these companies use are known
Links to an article from 2017 about a tax loophole that was closed in 2020 [0]. As an Economist that by his Wikipedia article [1] dedicates so much of his time talking about the Irish tax regime, he should be well aware of this fact.
[0] https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2024/10/14/the-... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_W._Setser
You are talking about the "Double Irish", which was scotched (sorry) in 2020 by Ireland.
The link under your quoted line in the TFA seems to be talking about Apple (and others) preparing for the end of the Double Irish by finding other tax havens.
"Elite tax advisers help Apple Inc. and other corporate giants skirt impacts of crackdown on 'Double Irish' maneuvers."
So, I don't see what's invalid about the TFA's point, which is about tax avoidance in general
Yup, this article isn't great.
As someone close to pharmaceutical manufacturing, the reason why the manufacturing is done in Ireland is for tax benefits for sales in Europe.
So why not have a US factory for US sales? Because it's much more expensive and complex to have two separate factories making the same drug. It's far easier to just scale the Irish factory to serve all global sales.
Even the same companies with Irish factories have US factories as well. It's not like any tax benefit moved that out of the US as well.
Most of the value is in the patents, not in the manufacturing. Did they also expatriate that “accidentally”?
If Pfizer operates in the US at a loss (or at least they did in 2018-2020) and all the profits are booked elsewhere it was their choice.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_pfizer_in...
It is also kind of an odd article because his assertion "After the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), imports from Ireland soared." is not at all borne out by graph that immediately follows.
Switzerland is a whole different matter, but such carelessness doesn't improve trust
Is this 'round-tripping' thing just a fancy term for why my parents' medication costs more than a car payment? Just trying to connect the dots from their balance sheet to my wallet.
Your parents medication costs more than a car payment because developing medication is expensive. Developing medication is expensive partly because it's just innately expensive, but mostly because going through the bureaucracy of getting it approved is really expensive. You want cheaper medicine? Then make that faster and cheaper. But there are tradeoffs.
The perverse incentives of insurance companies and an equal if not greater factor than regulator burden.
Insurance companies are not incentivized to lower costs, because it allows them to charge more. Pharmacy Benefit Managers eliminate the price bargaining power of even the largest pharmacy chains. Healthcare is complex, expensive, and required for life, which make it inherently susceptible to market distortions.
Not at all. It only explains why a pharmaceutical company has an overseas office.
Your parents medication cost more than a car payment because there's no motivation in the US system to reduce prices for most drugs. Quite the opposite for insurers who provide ACA--they're actually incentivized to increase the cost of care so that the 20% they are allowed to spend on marketing, executive compensation, etc can grow as well.
I can't tell if this is trying to say the ACA should have set it to 0% so there is no incentive, if there is supposed to be something special about 20% which makes executives greedy but at 100% they'd have no interest in trying to make a bigger bonus, or if I'm missing something else completely. I feel like it has to be the latter, I just can't figure out what.
My read is: it's saying that if your executive compensation (etc.) is capped to a portion of the cost of care, and if your execs want to be paid more (etc.), then the required change is for the cost of care to increase.
Nothing special about the 20% proportion, just that it's proportional to a number which results in perverse incentives.
I think it's implying that it gives an incentive to make things more expensive, because then they can make more money. If that profit cap didn't exist, they could make more money in other ways, such as lowering costs but keeping prices the same (or lowering them less).
It was interesting to read how much of the US drugs market relies on imports. The article deals with the high value stuff. However, by volume, 90% of drugs used in the US are cheaper generics often with no US manufacturers. The US is heavily reliant on India and ultimately China for both active pharmaceutical ingredients and key starting materials. With 80% of Indian production using starting materials from China.[0]
The US had no domestic production of penicillin between 2004[3] when its last plant shuttered until 2021 when a factory reopened.[1] (source 1 and 3 appear to contradict, the 2019 testimony states there was no manufacturer after 2004 whereas it sounds like the plant closed in 2020, regardless the domestic capability is extremely weak)
As usual for American sources this is painted as some nefarious scheme by the evil red Chinese to destroy America by making cheaper drugs available. To add my own editorialising I think US companies are easily capable of ruining US manufacturing and focusing on screwing US patients over.[2] The average citizen should probably be glad of low cost Chinese supply, but nurturing domestic capability as per Biden is sensible.
[0]: https://prosperousamerica.org/skyrocketing-pharmaceutical-im...
[1]: https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/reopening-penicil...
[2]: https://www.rand.org/news/press/2024/02/01/index1.html
[3]: https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/RosemaryGibsonTesti...
[4]: sources per https://youtu.be/hS0-ugYA-ko?si=xCNzctCGr9f2M7ct
It’s so ironic. Just a couple weeks ago he was touting how he’s getting drug prices down. Except the tariffs kicked in, and now we’re going to be paying 50% more for those generics. If this were a chess move, we just lost our rooks.
To continue the analogy, if the US lost a rook, everyone would take notice "damn that was a big blow".
I think it's more like losing a pawn. Except now others have taken 3 unanswered pawns and everyone said "eh we've still got our queen" but now the queens are looking shaky and you're staring down a 3 pawn short endgame and no one believes you can turn it around.
Can someone explain why the Netherlands are included in the graph of low tax juristictions? As far as I know their corporate tax rate is 25.8% which is larger than the 21% us rate.
I think it has to do with the fact that you can export tge profit to friendlier jurisdictions afterwards.
For this reason a lot of tech companies have subsidiaries in the Nerherlands. Uber is the first examole that comes to mind. All card charges when you take an Uber in Europe are to Uber N.V - which is a Dutch Entity.
25.8% of what? Tax loopholes operate on calculating that, not lowering the percentage.
Seems like the tariffs are having their intended effect.
If you think that is bad wait and see what big tech companies do in Ireland.
Is that still going on? I was just reading about it in the Sarah Wynn-Williams book and it sounded like the EU was cracking down on it and bunch of execs were making backroom deals at Davos in the late 2010s to try to get extensions and sweetheart deals of various kinds.
EDIT: Sigh, yeah looks like the famous Double Irish loophole closed in 2020, but there's another scheme that's come up since 2021: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement
This would be wonderful to have happen but the current regime does not engender hope in tax reform that serves the country rather than the rich who own it.
Corporate taxes are blunt instruments. They preferentially hurt workers. The C-suite decides how higher corporate taxes affect the company, and it’s not by lowering the CEO’s salary. It’s by firing people, hiring less, and making less investments in the business all else being equal. Corporate taxes also distort decisions of small business owners, who will pay out profits as salary to themselves rather than reinvesting the money in the company so as to avoid paying taxes on profits twice, first as a corporate tax and the second time as an income tax.
A better solution is to slash corporate taxes and raise income taxes on high earners. This will end the practice of offshoring the story describes, and also spare workers the negative effects of corporate income taxes.
> It’s by firing people, hiring less, and making less investments in the business all else being equal.
This is farcical. The universal response to higher taxes is to create less revenue? Exactly how does this benefit the CEOs salary? Or improve outcomes for shareholders?
> who will pay out profits as salary to themselves rather than reinvesting the money in the company so as to avoid paying taxes on profits twice
The IRS keeps an eye on this. The business owner does not have unlimited runway and the salary selected must be reasonable. It's also not the only tax vehicle available to the owner to reduce or eliminate the "double taxation" that can occur on profit distributions. There's like half a dozen ways to solve this problem from an ownership perspective.
It should also be noted that the personal income tax rate and the capital gains tax rate are likely to offer very different outcomes for the owner. It's hardly as cut and dry as you project.
> A better solution is to slash corporate taxes and raise income taxes on high earners.
So the corporations engage in practices like buybacks and overfund the business and workers wages end up artificially depressed?
A better solution is to examine the problem and respond with appropriately designed policies that are outcome oriented. These "quick fix" and "slash and burn" policies are _precisely_ how we ended up here. Swinging the pendulum all the way to the other extreme creates the same amount of misery just in a different direction.
Australia has another (strange?) solution: Australian public companies pay tax and issue dividends to shareholders. these dividend payments have attached tax credits ("franking credits") that can be used by the shareholder to reduce their income tax, so those dividend payments are not subject to double taxation (being subject to company tax and again to the individual shareholder's income tax).
E.g. suppose you are a shareholder and receive a dividend of $1000 from some australian public company. If the australian company is large it will be subject to a 30% corporate tax rate. If the company paid company tax on earnings before issuing the dividend, then that dividend comes with a $(1000 / 0.7) * 0.3 = $428.57 tax credit which the shareholder can use to reduce their income tax bill.
That said, in terms of the global landscape of low tax jurisdictions, Australia's corporate tax rate of 30% and highest marginal individual income tax rate of 47% make things less attractive.
Interesting, thanks. I didn’t know about that. I could see how a version of that might address the double taxation problem small business owners face that I described.