• chris_va 41 minutes ago

    For those technically inclined, look up Ekman transport. And if you rabbit hole far enough, you'll encounter one of the most awe inspiring units of measurement, the Sverdrup.

    As an aside, Panama is a particularly sensitive point in climate models I've run.

    (Disclosure that I manage a climate research group)

    • natebc 2 hours ago
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        • dvrj101 2 hours ago

          The ocean generates 50 percent of the oxygen we need, absorbs 30 percent of all carbon dioxide emissions and captures 90 percent of the excess heat generated by these emissions.

          • echelon 2 hours ago

            Are there any clathrate-gun [1] style hypothesis that predict the entire gas exchange system could fall into runaway collapse? I'd love to read up on them, if so.

            Slow changes, a return to a Cretaceous-style climate, etc. are a very different story than an "overnight" exponential and unstoppable Venusification of the planet.

            Slowly rising sea levels in Miami vs one day you wake up and can't breathe anymore. Very different situations.

            [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

            • pixl97 an hour ago

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event

              >An anoxic event describes a period wherein large expanses of Earth's oceans were depleted of dissolved oxygen (O2), creating toxic, euxinic (anoxic and sulfidic) waters.[1] Although anoxic events have not happened for millions of years, the geologic record shows that they happened many times in the past. Anoxic events coincided with several mass extinctions and may have contributed to them.[2] These mass extinctions include some that geobiologists use as time markers in biostratigraphic dating

              • jbay808 20 minutes ago

                This one still keeps me up at night, especially the figure on the 6th page.

                https://web.archive.org/web/20180513182952/http://burro.case...

                The short summary of this hypothesis is that the ocean develops hypoxic zones, anaerobic bacteria boom, and eventually the ocean starts releasing masses of poisonous H2S gas that wipes out most life on land (and strips the ozone layer for good measure).

                They speculate that this might have been a mechanism behind the "great dying" at the end of the Permian. I'm sure the thinking has advanced in the last 20 years, but whenever people ask what the worst-case scenario for global warming could be, my mind drifts back to this.

          • mitchbob 4 hours ago
            • ashtakeaway 2 hours ago

              Somehow I get the feeling if they used the word 'mass' instead of 'blob', a lot more readers would take the subject seriously.

            • parineum an hour ago

              > The record he helps maintain shows the upwelling has taken place annually for at least 40 years...

              40 data points isn't a lot.

              • throwawayqqq11 10 minutes ago

                40 records as in "observation" is expectable.

                But dont dismis climate science that easily.

                > An increasingly popular method to deduce historic sea surface temperatures uses sediment-entombed bodies of marine archaea

                https://www.ocean.washington.edu/story/Ancient_Ocean_Tempera...

                • baq an hour ago

                  sometimes it's more than enough

                  • jibe 31 minutes ago

                    But then sometimes it’s not?

                  • kg an hour ago

                    Think about it this way, to be able to say that it takes place annually instead of i.e. biannually or monthly, you need a lot more than one sample per year. You need enough samples to know when it is or isn't occurring.

                    https://www.earth.com/news/unprecedented-collapse-panamas-oc... mentions a lot of date oriented measurements which suggest they probably have at least 52 samples per year, if not daily samples:

                    > The 40-year record makes the 2025 failure stand out. Average historical onset around January 20 contrasts with a March 4 threshold crossing in 2025.

                    > The cool season shrank from roughly nine weeks to less than two weeks. Minimum sea surface temperature (SST) rose from historical lows near 66.2°F to about 73.9°F.

                    • convolvatron 28 minutes ago

                      author Mulkey responds to a similar question in the comments:

                      Aaron O'Dea, told me in an email that the upwelling has been "as predictable as clockwork" for at least 40 years of detailed data used in the study. They have less detailed data showing that it goes back at least 80 years. And while this doesn't mean it never vanished before, he said they can trace the the upwelling's impact on coastal ecology and humans for 11,000 years.