• RandallBrown 3 hours ago

    > The bottleneck isn’t code production, it is judgment.

    It always surprises me that this isn't obvious to everyone. If AI wrote 100% of the code that I do at work, I wouldn't get any more work done because writing the code is usually the easy part.

    • skybrian an hour ago

      I'm retired now, but I spent many hours writing and debugging code during my career. I believed that implementing features was what I was being paid to do. I was proud of fixing difficult bugs.

      A shift to not writing code (which is apparently sometimes possible now) and managing AI agents instead is a pretty major industry change.

      • linhns 2 hours ago

        Well you should be surprised by the number of people who do not know this. Klarna is probably the most popular example where the CEO was all about creating more code, then fired everyone before regretting

        • add-sub-mul-div 2 hours ago

          I'll stare at a blank editor for an hour with three different solutions in my head that I could implement, and type nothing until a good enough one comes to mind that will save/avoid time and trouble down the road. That last solution is not best for any simple reason like algorithmic complexity or anything that can be scraped from web sites.

          • gowld 2 hours ago

            I don't understand this thinking.

            How many hours per week did you spend coding on your most recent project? If you could do something else during that time, and the code still got written, what would you do?

            Or are you saying that you believe you can't get that code written without spending an equivalent amount of time describing your judgments?

            • kibwen 2 hours ago

              "Writing code" is not the goal. The goal is to design a coherent logical system that achieves some goal. So the practice of programming is in thinking hard about what goal I want to achieve, then thinking about the sort of logical system that I could design that would allow me to verifiably achieve that goal, then actually banging out the code that implements the abstract logical system that I have in my head, then iterating to refine both the abstract system and its implementation. And as a result of being the one who produced the code, I have certainty that the code implements the system I have in mind, and that the system it represents is for for the purpose of achieving the original goals.

              So reducing the part where I go from abstract system to concrete implementation only saves me time spent typing, while at the same time decoupling me from understanding whether the code actually implements the system I have in mind. To recover that coupling, I need to read the code and understand what it does, which is often slower than just typing it myself.

              And to even express the system to the code generator in the first place still requires me to mentally bridge the gap between the goal and the system that will achieve that goal, so it doesn't save me any time there.

              The exceptions are things where I literally don't care whether the outputs are actually correct, or they're things that I can rely on external tools to verify (e.g. generating conformance tests), or they're tiny boilerplate autocomplete snippets that aren't trying to do anything subtle or interesting.

              • ryandrake an hour ago

                The actual act of typing code into a text editor and building it could be the least interesting and least valuable part of software development. A developer who sees their job as "writing code" or a company leader who sees engineers' jobs as "writing code" is totally missing where the value is created.

                There is artistry and "beautiful code" which shouldn't be overlooked. But I believe that beautiful code comes from solid ideas, and that ugly code comes from flawed ideas. So, as long as the (human-constructed) idea is good, the code (whether it is human-typed or AI-generated) should end up beautiful.

              • RandallBrown 2 hours ago

                In my experience (and especially at my current job) bottlenecks are more often organizational than technical. I spend a lot of time waiting for others to make decisions before I can actually proceed with any work.

                My judgement is built in to the time it takes me to code. I think I would be spending the same amount of time doing that while reviewing the AI code to make sure it isn't doing something silly (even if it does technically work.)

                A friend of mine recently switched jobs from Amazon to a small AI startup where he uses AI heavily to write code. He says it's improved his productivity 5x, but I don't really think that's the AI. I think it's (mostly) the lack of bureaucracy in his small 2 or 3 person company.

                I'm very dubious about claims that AI can improve productivity so much because that just hasn't been my experience. Maybe I'm just bad at using it.

                • jgeada an hour ago

                  All you did was changing the programming language from (say) Python to English. One is designed to be a programming language, with few ambiguities etc. The other is, well, English.

                  Speed of typing code is not all that different than the speed of typing English, even accounting for the volume expansion of English -> <favorite programming language>. And then, of course, there is the new extra cost of then reading and understanding whatever code the AI wrote.

                  • layer8 an hour ago

                    > Or are you saying that you believe you can't get that code written without spending an equivalent amount of time describing your judgments?

                    It’s sort of the opposite: You don’t get to the proper judgement without playing through the possibilities in your mind, part of which is accomplished by spending time coding.

                    • scott_w 2 hours ago

                      I think OP is closer to the latter. How I typically have been using Copilot is as a faster autocomplete that I read and tweak before moving on. Too many years of struggling to describe a task to Siri left me deciding “I’ll just show it what I want” rather than tell.

                  • zamadatix 2 hours ago

                    Something about the way the article sets up the conversation nags at me a bit - even though it concludes with statements and reasoning I generally agree quite well with. It sets out what it wants to argue clearly at the start:

                    > Everyone’s heard the line: “AI will write all the code; engineering as you know it is finished... The Bun acquisition blows a hole in that story.”

                    But what the article actually discusses and demonstrates by the end of the article is how the aspects of engineering beyond writing the code is where the value in human engineers is at this point. To me that doesn't seem like an example of a revealed preference in this case. If you take it back to the first part of the original quote above it's just a different wording for AI being the code writer and engineering being different.

                    I think what the article really means to drive against is the claim/conclusion "because AI can generate lots of code we don't need any type of engineer" but that's just not what the quote they chose to set out against is saying. Without changing that claim the acquisition of Bun is not really a counterexample, Bun had just already changed the way they do engineering so the AI wrote the code and the engineers did the other things.

                    • croes 2 hours ago

                      But the engineers can do it because they have written lots of code before. Where will these engineers get their experience in the future.

                      And what about vibe coding? The whole point and selling point of many AI companies is that you don’t need experience as a programmer.

                      So they sell something that isn’t true, it’s not FSD for coding but driving assistance.

                      • zamadatix 2 hours ago

                        These are all things I'd rather have seen the article set out to talk about as well, instead it opens up to disprove a statement saying AI can write the coding portion of the engineering problem by means of showing it being used that way with Bun to mean Anthropic must not actually think that.

                      • fwip 39 minutes ago

                        I mean, it smells an AI slop article, so it's hard to expect much coherence.

                      • neilv 3 hours ago

                        > Treat AI as force multiplication for your highest-judgment people. The ones who can design systems, navigate ambiguity, shape strategy, and smell risk before it hits. They’ll use AI to move faster, explore more options, and harden their decisions with better data.

                        Clever pitch. Don't alienate all the people who've hitched their wagons to AI, but push valuing highly-skilled ICs as an actionable leadership insight.

                        Incidentally, strategy and risk management sound like a pay grade bump may be due.

                        • conductr 4 hours ago

                          People speak in relative terms and hear in absolutes. Engineers will never completely vanish, but it will certainly feel like it if labor demand is reduced enough.

                          Technically, there’s still a horse buggy whip market, an abacus market, and probably anything else you think technology consumed. It’s just a minuscule fraction of what it once was.

                          • marcosdumay 2 hours ago

                            > but it will certainly feel like it if labor demand is reduced enough

                            All the last productivity multipliers in programming led to increased demand. Do you really think the market is saturated now? And what saturated it is one of the least impactful "revolutionary" tools we got in our profession?

                            Keep in mind that looking at statistics won't lead to any real answer, everything is manipulated beyond recognition right now.

                          • jollyllama 2 hours ago

                            "Believe the checkbook? Why do that when I can get pump-faked into strip-mining my engineering org?"- VPs everywhere

                            • hapless 4 hours ago

                              The ten dollar word for this is “revealed preferences”

                              • recursive 3 hours ago

                                I learned that phrase from one of the bold sentences in this article.

                              • drcode 2 hours ago

                                The bun acquisition is driven by current AI capabilities.

                                This argument requires us to believe that AI will just asymptote and not get materially better.

                                Five years from now, I don't think anyone will make these kinds of acquisitions anymore.

                                • bigstrat2003 37 minutes ago

                                  > This argument requires us to believe that AI will just asymptote and not get materially better.

                                  It hasn't gotten materially better in the last three years. Why would it do so in the next three or five years?

                                  • 0x3f 2 hours ago

                                    > This argument requires us to believe that AI will just asymptote and not get materially better.

                                    That's not what asymptote means. Presumably what you mean is the curve levelling off, which it already is.

                                    • SoftTalker an hour ago

                                      This seems overly pedantic. The intended meaning is clear.