• londons_explore 2 hours ago

    You can do a while lifetimes work, and yet sometimes it's a tiny action like this which can have the biggest benefit to mankind.

    Just think how many billions of times someone has avoided pulling up to the wrong side of the pump because of this arrow - literal lifetimes of effort saved.

    • lostlogin an hour ago

      The person (committee?) who came up with USB A needs sanctions.

      And Apple Needs more, for putting power buttons and key ports at that back.

      • qwertytyyuu an hour ago

        No the people who decided that usb 3.2 gen 2x2 and usb 4 version 2.0 gen 4x2 were acceptable names are the ones who should be sanctioned

        • pa7ch an hour ago

          whats wrong with usb-a? I feels more sturdy and less likely to have connection issues then usb-c in my experience.

          • lostlogin 29 minutes ago

            > whats wrong with usb-a?

            Which way up it should go.

            • schmuckonwheels 16 minutes ago

              PS/2, which USB all but replaced, solved this by visually keying one side of the connector as flat.

              • sitharus 26 minutes ago

                The other way

                • onion2k 6 minutes ago

                  No, the other other way.

        • wombatpm 2 hours ago

          Which is great for new cars. I drove a 78 Buick Riviera. Friends couldn’t figure out how to fill it up. Because the gas cap was behind the license plate in the back!

          • waldrews an hour ago

            Why didn't they just ask ChatGPT?

            Oh wait.

            • charcircuit an hour ago

              For those curious, the first sentence of the response from ChatGPT gets it correct.

              >On a 1978 Buick Riviera, the gas cap is hidden behind a flip-down license plate on the rear bumper.

          • schmuckonwheels 18 minutes ago

            2020s UX "experts" would bury the entire instrument cluster under a hamburger menu if they could get away with it.

            The fuel gauge would be moved three menus deep and thus impossible to find, then removed in subsequent model years when their telemetry data "proved" no one used it anymore.

            • unglaublich 3 minutes ago

              In the end, these engineers' job is make profit for the company. If the customer allows for all this crap, and still buys cars/fridges/tvs with such horrible UX, then it's the way forward.

              • eastbound 11 minutes ago

                It drives usage up! Seriously, I wonder whether this “Make things to annoy people” trend is a normal situation, or an emerging behavior due to our era, and whether it will be solved one day. Example: In 2003 all UX was abominable, programs were ugly and black and white and text and boring, then came the iPhone with the idea to hire designers for apps, it was entirely new and absolutely unseen before. It was necessary during the take off phase of our industry, but are we simply witnessing the regression to normal, with UX being driven by corporate suits?

              • apparent 22 minutes ago

                I was like 20 when I learned about this trick. Before then I'd only driven a few vehicles, and I just knew which side of the car the gas tank opening was on. A friend mentioned it when we were going to fill up a car a borrowed car and I asked which side it was on.

                I've since met many adults who were unaware of this trick. It's like the real-world analog of an insufficiently discoverable UI functionality.

                • arjvik 13 minutes ago

                  One of the many patron saints of engineers!

                  If he so believed in it, may his arrow be pointing up! :)

                  • phibz 2 hours ago

                    On cars without the arrow they often follow the convention where the gas filler handle is depicted on the same side of the gas icon as the filler door is in the car.

                    • pants2 21 minutes ago

                      I've heard that the gauge always points towards the side the cap is on when pointing to empty

                      • nutjob2 2 hours ago

                        First time I've heard of that convention.

                      • ryanjshaw 2 hours ago

                        Anybody else get confused by whether the arrow represents where the car should be or the pump?

                        • mongol 5 minutes ago

                          I do. It is not obvious in any case

                          • LoFiSamurai 2 hours ago

                            No

                            • KellyCriterion 26 minutes ago

                              Isnt it that nowadays usually on the side of the driving seat? Or does this apply only to EU vehicles?

                              Im not a regular car user, if at all Im renting - but the last 10 times(?) it was always just on the side of the driving seat

                              • onion2k a minute ago

                                Isnt it that nowadays usually on the side of the driving seat? Or does this apply only to EU vehicles?

                                That would mean designing two separate entire fuel tank placements, fuel lines, etc for cars that are available both in left- and right-hand drive variants, with different SKUs for each of the parts needed. There is no way a car manufacturer would do that.

                                • tripledry 4 minutes ago

                                  Im not aware of such a convention, I'm in the EU and most cars I've owned or driven has it on the opposite side of the driving seat.

                                  Might just be a coincidence

                                  • apparent 24 minutes ago

                                    I think it depends. Especially with PHEVs, which also have a charge port, whose location is determined by charging infrastructure, and which is not IME on the same side as the gas tank opening.

                                  • michaelmdresser 2 hours ago

                                    I think this is the source of me misinterpreting the symbol a few times, so yes.

                                    • sublinear an hour ago

                                      I agree. As much as people appreciate the factoid, it's not an example of good design.

                                      I don't ever recall the arrow being paid attention to until listicles and other blog spam were born. It has all the elements of great clickbait.

                                      • gk1 an hour ago

                                        I actually use it all the time when driving a rental.

                                        • mhdhn 41 minutes ago

                                          I use it all the time because I switch between a lot of different cars a lot, and my memory is not that great.

                                          • jquery 11 minutes ago

                                            That isn’t in conflict with it being bad design.

                                          • mayneack 40 minutes ago

                                            I use it regularly

                                            • jquery 12 minutes ago

                                              It’s terrible design. Until I encountered one of these listicles I had no idea what that arrow was.

                                          • sodafountan 9 minutes ago

                                            My Dad explained to me what this symbol meant when I got my first car. We went to get gas, and I had no idea that I pulled up on the wrong side of the pump. He indicated that the symbol told you which side of the car the gas tank was on.

                                            It was a 1994 Ford Taurus.

                                            • tiku 44 minutes ago

                                              One of my previous cars didn't have the signaling arrow and I missed it instantly. Such a subtle great idea.

                                              • tjr 44 minutes ago

                                                Wow! I just used this a few days ago when I rented a U-Haul van. Such a great user interface element.

                                                • weinzierl an hour ago

                                                  It's a convenient little invention but "the fact that there wasn't a simple way to know which side of a vehicle the gas tank was located on" is not quite true.

                                                  Usually, if the vehicle is of Japanese or British origin, the cap is on the left, otherwise it is on the right.

                                                  Source: I’ve driven dozens of different vehicle models all over Europe for decades. This rule always worked well enough for me.

                                                  • sumoboy 11 minutes ago

                                                    Nobody getting gas at Costco cares.

                                                    • schmuckonwheels 8 minutes ago

                                                      Most people do, with the exception of the woman awkwardly stretching the long hose over the roof of her minivan, scratching it in the process.

                                                    • cf100clunk 6 days ago
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                                                      • anigbrowl 2 hours ago

                                                        Why would you not just always put it on the driver's side, since they're the most likely to be doing the refueling?

                                                        • netsharc 2 hours ago

                                                          And which side is the driver side? Surprise, it depends on the country. And a Japanese car manufacturer will move the driver controls to sell cars in USA/Continental Europe, but flipping everything else will cost more.

                                                          I've driven 2 models of an Italian brand, my previous car had the gas tank on the passenger side, and my current one has it on the driver side. I do wonder why they changed it.

                                                          There's also the issue of pulling to a small road side petrol station, having the fuel door on the passenger side means you don't have to be standing next to the busy road while refuelling.

                                                          • globular-toast 11 minutes ago

                                                            I live in the UK (drive on the left) and my Honda had it on the passenger side while my VW has it on the driver's side.

                                                            • wickedsight 15 minutes ago

                                                              > I do wonder why they changed it.

                                                              Depending on model years, it could have something to do with Fiat merging with Chrysler in 2014. European brands usually have them on the passenger's side, while US brands have them on the driver's side. Maybe that new Fiat was designed in the US.

                                                              • thomassmith65 an hour ago

                                                                As it should be. If the Globalist cabal had their way, everyone would drive on the same side of the road (like mindless assembly line workers) and traffic signs would be completely standardized, and - yes - the fuel filler would be on the same side of every car (welcome to a monotonous Communist dystopia). They already came for Sweden ('Dagen H' Plan. Do your own research) /s

                                                              • npunt an hour ago

                                                                safest place is put it opposite of drivers side, because if you're out of gas on the side of the road and filling it up, you won't be standing right next to freeway traffic. Saab started this.

                                                                • nullhole an hour ago

                                                                  A linked article agrees:

                                                                    "... many European cars have the fuel door located on the passenger side, while many Japanese and American vehicles have the fuel door on the driver side. Both techniques have valid reasons. European automakers place the fuel filler on the passenger side for the sake of safety when a vehicle has run out of fuel and has pulled off onto the shoulder of the road to fill up from a canister. Meanwhile, American OEMs tend to place the fuel door on the driver side of the vehicle for convenience reasons, so that a driver doesn't have to walk around the vehicle when filling up at a gas station."[0]
                                                                  
                                                                  Brings to mind the Dead Kennedys album name, "Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death"

                                                                  [0] https://fordauthority.com/2020/08/ford-designer-credited-for...

                                                                  • KellyCriterion 24 minutes ago

                                                                    thank you, didnt know that, although Im in EU :-))

                                                                  • charcircuit an hour ago

                                                                    Is that actually safer? Both you and drivers lose visibility which in my mind makes it more dangerous.

                                                                  • arijun 2 hours ago

                                                                    What happens when they sell the car in a country that drives on the other side of the road? They would have to move everything around.

                                                                    • chongli an hour ago

                                                                      They could design the fuel tank to be symmetrical about the axis parallel to the car’s axels. This would let it be flipped during installation at the factory to have the refueling port facing either side. Then the only difference would be the body panel and little door that covers the gas cap.

                                                                      • sitharus 22 minutes ago

                                                                        Many (mostly European and North American) manufacturers can’t even be bothered flipping the indicator and light controls around, there’s no way they’d flip the whole fuel tank.

                                                                        • kube-system 26 minutes ago

                                                                          They could but there are downstream packaging compromises that would cause. It is easier to design the vehicle without imposing that design constraint on yourself

                                                                        • aryonoco 9 minutes ago

                                                                          They don’t. It stays on the same side as it was. They don’t move the bonnet opening lever or the indicator stalk either.

                                                                        • fourtwentynine 2 hours ago

                                                                          My plug-in hybrid (Audi Q5) has the electric connector on the rear left (driver’s side) and the gasoline inlet on the rear right. I sure plug in way more than fill up.

                                                                          The fuel side indicator is quite helpful to me.

                                                                          • apparent 19 minutes ago

                                                                            Funny, my PHEV had it on the opposite side. Did you find it difficult to charge at stations, which are often designed for front-left or rear-right charge ports?

                                                                        • celeritascelery 3 hours ago

                                                                          I had no idea till this moment that’s what the arrow was for…

                                                                          • acheron 2 hours ago

                                                                            I didn’t know it was possible to not know this.

                                                                            • phantasmish 10 minutes ago

                                                                              Nobody ever told me and I drove my first car for a long time, rarely drove other people’s cars, and did not have the kind of lifestyle that either supported or required rental cars.

                                                                              I found out around age 35, I think. From reading it online. I’ve told a bunch of people who didn’t know.

                                                                              • apparent 18 minutes ago

                                                                                Who taught you? I didn't know until my 20s and have met many adults who didn't know.

                                                                                • AlotOfReading an hour ago

                                                                                  I've encountered a few cars where the arrow points to the wrong side, and it's quite subtle if no one tells you.

                                                                                • nutjob2 2 hours ago

                                                                                  I'm sure about 99% of people are in the same boat.

                                                                                  • kirubakaran an hour ago

                                                                                    The signage is for cars, not boats.

                                                                                • deathanatos 2 hours ago

                                                                                  What a letter. Clear, concise, just chef's kiss. I love that little indicator.

                                                                                  • markus_zhang 2 hours ago

                                                                                    I only knew it because someone talked about that. Very useful. RIP.

                                                                                    • iancmceachern 2 hours ago

                                                                                      I use his arrow all the time. I'm also a Ford Truck Fan. RIP James.