• DudeOpotomus 2 hours ago

    Like poker, math only takes you so far in sales. You have to learn people if you want to succeed at selling. In fact, math is all but irrelevant for most person to person sales. Buying decisions are mostly emotional. Learning people is a skill that will translate to every other aspect of your life.

    • postflopclarity an hour ago

      this is a bad analogy. at the highest level, poker is entirely math. the player with a better understanding of GTO will demolish someone who tries to "learn people"

      • JohnMakin an hour ago

        playing "GTO" doesn't mean you will destroy people, this is a common misunderstanding of the term. It means that you are playing in a way that cannot be exploited - this does not mean you're also playing in the way that will win you the most money.

        Also, there is no "better understanding" of GTO because poker is an unsolved game, and the assumptions you feed into a GTO playstyle can change quickly or be wrong. The thought you can sit there like an automaton with a set strategy and win is false.

        been playing off and on professionally for 20 years

        • Cpoll an hour ago

          I suppose I should take your username into account and take you at your word, but wouldn't a player that entirely plays mathematically be easily exploited?

          I assumed table talk was at least 10% of poker. Mind games, conditioning your opponent and making reads are present in most sports.

          • QuotedForTruth 18 minutes ago

            If you play game theory optimal (GTO) then you by definition can not be exploited. For poker a GTO strategy is extremely complex where each decision you make depends on the exact situation and includes varying your decisions over time. Like bluff raising 60% of the time and folding 40% of the time you’re in some very specific situation. It’s basically putting your opponent into a situation that they can’t make a profitable decision in the long term.

            It’s not really practically possible to do. But if two people did they would have 0 expected value over time against each other. If one player slightly differed from game theory optimal strategy that would give the other one positive expected value. There is no way they can change from GTO strategy to exploit you.

            However, this isn’t necessarily the most profitable way to play against real people. When your opponents aren’t playing GTO, there will be some non-GTO strategy that exploits them most effectively. Like if they call too much then you should raise for value more often than against a GTO opponent and bluff less.

          • zeroxfe an hour ago

            There's a world of a difference between "at the highest level" and your typical casino poker game. (GPs general point still stands.)

            • vonneumannstan 35 minutes ago

              This is exactly wrong. At the highest levels you play your opponent, not only GTO. No one can play pure GTO and you exploit how your opponent moves off GTO.

          • Gooblebrai 2 hours ago

            This was super useful. As a technical person willing to learn sales, the numbers that you showed at the different stages of the funnel shows that is all a numbers game and rejection is the norm. From 487 connections to 2 paid clients. Great post!

            • coole-wurst 33 minutes ago

              I hate to be an asshole. But is a person who converted 2/487 attempts someone to follow, someone to immitate? It's a numbers game.

              • cjcenizal 6 minutes ago

                A more constructive way to phrase your comment might be: “Is 2/487 conversions a good conversion rate? It seems like a low one to me.”