• emsign 3 hours ago

    I'm very hopeful that Linux gaming will save the open PC desktop despite big tech is coming to destroy it. Or at least keep PCs alive for another decade. Gamers are still a huge factor as hardware customers.

    GOG creating a Linux launcher and Steam Box with SteamOS coming out soon should benefit PC users in general not just gamers since Microslop sees Windows like a social experiment where they can test AI on unsuspecting lusers, as an ad platform and a store front now.

    • canpan 2 hours ago

      Steam developing proton was what made it possible for me to change fully. No dual boot or anything needed. It's great.

      Funnily I also run GoG games through steam proton.. But looking forward to the GoG client working!

      • orbital-decay 39 minutes ago

        Most gamers don't give a shit about openness. A much more likely outcome is "big tech" following the numbers and slowly making Linux unusable by using EEE or any other tactic under the pretense of usefulness.

        • embedding-shape 4 minutes ago

          > Most gamers don't give a shit about openness

          I don't think this is a given. I think most gamers so far haven't cared about openness because pragmatically, it didn't matter for them.

          Now they're seeing the long-term effect of not caring about that though, which is why we're suddenly seeing a movement of gamers moving to Linux, and trying to get others to move with them, because they realize the importance now, as their desktops are slowly collapsing over Microsoft's decision to let AI do all the programming, and having zero QA before releasing stuff to the public.

          • nialv7 9 minutes ago

            If we care about the future of computing, the future of consumer rights, we need to MAKE THEM GIVE A SHIT.

            Cory Doctorow is doing a very good job of that, but there is only one Cory Doctorow.

            • lifetimerubyist 19 minutes ago

              Gamers generally game on PC because they like building their system. Otherwise they would use a PS5 Pro or whatever.

              The PC is an “open” platform in that you can buy and choose your own hardware. Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia, Seagate vs Western Digital, etc….

              Using open software isn’t really more than a few steps from that. Being able to pick how your system works and customizing it to your liking is basically the software version of picking your PC parts. Gamers also like to run all sorts of software to rice there Windows desktops and will install all sorts of abominations tha mess with the Windows desktop shell. Much easier and fun to rice a Linux desktop.

              Linux enthusiasts need to just learn how to appeal to their sensibilities. Valve knows, and they are very effective at getting people excited for a Linux based gaming platform. They’ve also proven they can walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

              Sure, they won’t give a crap about the source code but there is more to libre software than just being able to change the source code if you want.

              We’re also at an inflection point where people are getting really really really annoyed with companies like Microsoft treating them like lab rats and shoving Copilot down their throat when they don’t want it. There is a chink in the armor; people are opening up to the idea of alternative platforms where you don’t have to worry about any of that garbage.

              > making Linux unusable by using EEE or any other tactic

              This will never happen because projects will just be forked.

              • haunter 2 minutes ago

                I'd rather say

                1, because multiplayer is free. Still baffling to me that you actually have to pay to play with others on consoles

                2, piracy is much much easier

                • deaux 8 minutes ago

                  > Gamers generally game on PC because they like building their system. Otherwise they would use a PS5 Pro or whatever.

                  You're making a huge assumption here. I think that's a really small percentage. Most people game on PC because certain games they like to play are only on PC, or are much better suited to PC, or because their friends are on PC, or because they want to play on the go (Steam Deck is very recent and still not widely used), or because they need to have a PC anyway. Or because they grew up with it at home/in the neighborhood because there was no money for a console. Or because "Because they like building their system", I'm going to peg at <10%.

              • jagermo 34 minutes ago

                Plus, the backlog of playable games is so awesome. I am working through things I always wanted to play that I can now throw on my steam deck.

                • mschuster91 an hour ago

                  > Gamers are still a huge factor as hardware customers.

                  They are but AI has fried the markets for RAM, SSDs and GPUs. Everything has gotten ridiculously expensive ever since the wash trading and the 100s of billions of $ worth of deals really took off.

                  Personally, I think at least one or two of the major GPU OEMs will go bust thanks to all of this, and I would be surprised if Framework, Pine64 and Steam's hardware line survive it. Hell, at the point we're at, I even have serious doubts the Xbox line survives.

                  • nottorp 17 minutes ago

                    Thing is, you don't need a GPU.

                    One of the major x86 manufacturers makes CPUs with integrated graphics that is good enough for gaming. It's in "Steam's hardware line" btw.

                    Oh yes, AAAs maybe won't run on that. But they're boring af anyway. And predatory. So not much loss.

                    • emsign an hour ago

                      My next GPU will be from AMD, not just because I'm in the process of switching to Linux but I have a gut feeling that Nvidia doesn't see desktop GPUs as their priority anymore and support might diminish faster.

                  • EspadaV9 3 hours ago

                    No. Please don't. Contribute to something like Heroic Launcher instead. Don't create something new just for GOG. Help make the existing tools better. It'll mean GOG has to do less work, and the programs people are already using will get better. Or even just sponsor Heroic so they can send more time we can working on it themselves.

                    • tmtvl an hour ago

                      GNU/Linux gamers are always decrying GOG, saying they won't buy stuff from them because Galaxy doesn't run on GNU/Linux, now we're getting people saying GOG porting Galaxy to GNU/Linux is bad!? By Taranis, GOG just can't get a break, can they?

                      • justonceokay 8 minutes ago

                        GOG needs to contribute 0-day fixes to the kernel, otherwise they’re not committed to Linux /s

                      • gamesieve 3 hours ago

                        They're not creating something new. They're taking their existing tool (which - for all its flaws - is still far ahead of Heroic in many ways), improving it further, and changing it to also work on Linux.

                        If they then go add additional features like wine integration to that tool to make it overlap more with Heroic is something we're all assuming, but not actually a given.

                        • indolering an hour ago

                          They could at least use Flatpak and containers instead of choosing a given distro or package manager.

                          • bravetraveler 3 hours ago

                            A lot of words for "yes they will insist on fragmentation"

                            • freehorse 2 hours ago

                              Compiling their own tool for linux (ie advancing cross-platform support) is not "fragmentation".

                              • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

                                Disagree, but that's fine. Only so many users, attention, etc. Heroic will probably see degradation.

                                They're entirely welcome to do this, I just think there's room for more opportunity with combined/open effort. Idealistic? Sure.

                                I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that doing nothing remains an option.

                                • freehorse 2 hours ago

                                  Obligatory xkcd

                                  https://xkcd.com/927/

                                  • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

                                    Yea. Good and bad, I'm exhausted. The fragmentation argument goes back to the creation of 'init'.

                                    Cheapshot: Good Old Games (as long as our proprietary software functions)

                                    • johnnyanmac 2 hours ago

                                      The issue here is that this is an existing "standard", by the logic of the comic. I wouldn't be surprised if there were already unofficial Linux ports of this launcher to begin with.

                                      Also, even if it was fragmentation I'd prefer competition to ensue. I don't want another Steam situation, even if in theory a launcher isn't holding any valuable data hostage.

                                      • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

                                        Eh, I don't need the comic to be a perfect fit.

                                        It's not a port, but Heroic is an implementation of the GOG ~standard~ store as a Linux user. I will use it until I can't.

                                        Why? Precisely because of what you say: I don't want another Steam. Heroic does others like Epic, too; open consolidation like this is my ideal.

                                        I'm not really against GOG taking a swing. I'm comfortable calling it a reference/backup, but I do prefer something like Heroic.

                              • samrus 26 minutes ago

                                Fellas, is it fragmentation to natively support linux?

                                • bravetraveler 18 minutes ago

                                  Let me know when you finish with your 90000th spin of Debian. I'll be over here playing w/ Heroic

                                • anonymous908213 2 hours ago

                                  Linux userspace is defined by fragmentation. Linux users can't even unify on a distro, such that significant swathes of software are incompatible for some users despite everyone using the same kernel. In that environment, and also just in general, why is anybody obligated to contribute to a specific existing project rather than building their own?

                                  • bravetraveler 4 minutes ago

                                    Said absolutely nothing about obligation, merely raising a decades-long argument in this context. The users will see turmoil. That's it. Forgive me if I don't want to go over it again.

                                    • saidinesh5 2 hours ago

                                      As much as i hate the pointless Linux fragmentation, I think them going down the path of steam/heroic games launcher and releasing one appimage/.deb file and letting others take on the burden for their distros should do.

                                      • StopDisinfo910 2 hours ago

                                        I mean, the main issue with portability is the insistance on dynamic linking, far more than the distro situation.

                                        If you use Linux like MacOS and only run static binaries and containerized programs via things like flatpak everything is fine.

                                        It's totally possible to treat the distro simply as a thin base layer and get everything else from flatpak and the various container hubs. It does work great.

                                      • mikkupikku an hour ago

                                        Fragmentation is a good thing, it's called competition, and user choice. If you don't like it, buy a Mac or something.

                                        • bravetraveler 29 minutes ago

                                          You say this like I'm not aware and it's sunshine/rainbows, actually.

                                          Competition in the GOG launcher space, huzzah. To the detriment of One Launcher To Rule Them All.

                                          To be clear: I'm for a first party solution. I support their efforts as much as I can. It will have considerable impact on the users. Both ways.

                                        • dandellion 2 hours ago

                                          If you see it form the point of view of a Linux user it's more fragmentation, but if you look at it from the point of view of a gamer it's less fragmentation. Guess who their target audience is?

                                          • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

                                            Guess what has been serving those gamers, actually I'll be kind: Heroic.

                                          • OrangeRange 2 hours ago

                                            Everyone in the linux world insists on fragmentation, though? It's a part of what makes it great and a mess at the same time.

                                            And what of it? Every time a for profit company uses open source they'll either create a closed fork, and if they can't they'll create closed source modules for it.

                                            I'm not saying it's bad to wish for companies to support FOSS, I'm just saying it's an unrealistic expectation to have.

                                            • keyringlight 2 hours ago

                                              The impression I've had for a long while now is that just as the software side is fragmented so is the userbase in what they want, including a segment that want one true way and all that fragmentation to go away. The trouble I see with catering to all that variation is it's putting an onus for more work on the developer (which needs funding from somewhere, most likely the publisher) and while linux (and GOG) is a niche market in the present and near term it doesn't seem like a winning proposition.

                                              There's definitely a desire for an appliance/console like experience where all the complexity is hidden behind install/play buttons, and steam has got most of the way there. As protondb shows that can't go all the way and tweaking is needed owing to the shifting PC compatibility in general and running software from one OS on a different one, it's the nature of the beast. Personally pushing towards monoculture on an open platform needs to be tempered, and there's a lot of debate previously for other places where that's relevant.

                                              • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

                                                ... and I'm concurring with the threadstarter. They could do nothing, donate to Heroic, or this. I'm not invested in this, just raised a keyword.

                                                The arguments are tired, the word serves us well. They insist, yes, and forever remain hopeful that This Might Be the Year. Meanwhile, the reality exists for plenty already.

                                              • m-schuetz 2 hours ago

                                                Why would they join another project that's worse than their own solution, over which they have full controll?

                                                • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

                                                  So many replies. Hello everyone. Beats me, just commenting as someone who won't pivot to the new thing. Outcomes matter, etc.

                                                  Supporting Heroic would appear on-brand given their old game/archival messaging, but I'm not learning marketing for free.

                                                  Not really against a first-party option, even. I do, however, find the inevitable user split notable.

                                            • gr4vityWall 3 hours ago

                                              Alternatively, work on developing protocols for game launchers instead. Get the Heroic Launcher devs and devs from other launchers to work on a common interface.

                                              • muvlon 19 minutes ago

                                                I'm a happy Heroic user but I don't mind them porting GOG Galaxy. Makes for a smoother migration for people coming from Windows, for example.

                                                • MaulingMonkey 2 hours ago

                                                  > It'll mean GOG has to do less work

                                                  [citation needed]

                                                  GOG's launcher team is presumably already familiar with their codebase, already has a checkout, already has a codebase that's missing 0 features, has a user interface that already matches their customer's muscle memory, and presumably already has semi-decent platform abstraction layer, considering they have binaries for both Windows and OS X. Unless they've utterly botched their PAL and buried it under several mountains of technical debt, porting is probably going to be relatively straightforward.

                                                  I'm not giving Linux gaming a second shot merely because of a bunch of ancedata about proton and wine improvements - I'm giving it a second shot because Steam themselves have staked enough of their brand and reputation on the experience, and put enough skin in the game with official linux support in their launcher. While I don't have enough of a GOG library for GOG's launcher to move the needle on that front for me personally, what it might do is get me looking at the GOG storefront again - in a way that some third party launcher simply wouldn't. Epic? I do have Satisfactory there, Heroic Launcher might be enough to avoid repurchasing it on Steam just for Linux, but it's not enough to make me want to stop avoiding Epic for future purchases on account of poor Linux support.

                                                  • jagermo 36 minutes ago

                                                    If its open, heroic can include their code or solutions, as they do with proton. Rising tide lifts all boats.

                                                    • high_na_euv 2 hours ago

                                                      Why they shouldnt develop version over which they have full control?

                                                      • account42 2 hours ago

                                                        Agreed, I don't want yet another launcher.

                                                        And as the underdog it even makes sense for GOG to fully embrace cross-store launchers.

                                                        • surgical_fire 2 hours ago

                                                          Meh, I use Lutris instead of Heroic.

                                                          I am happy that GoG will finally make its launcher available to Linux.

                                                        • t0bia_s 6 minutes ago

                                                          One of reasons why I buy games exclusively on GoG is clientlessness. I don't like when clients messing with game updates, because of modding incompatibility.

                                                          Unfortunately modding is reason, why switch to linux for gaming is not easy.

                                                          • alex_duf 3 hours ago

                                                            A lot of hate in the comments, I think it's great that companies are in a position where they think it makes sense financially to support Linux as a target platform.

                                                            • pjc50 2 hours ago

                                                              I think this is a good lesson in why companies don't try to bring stuff to Linux: the market is incredibly resentful of products.

                                                              • Draiken an hour ago

                                                                Come on... it's always the same reason: money.

                                                                Companies don't support Linux because it's not widespread enough so it can't outweigh the costs. They don't give a rat's ass for the market's resentfulness or lack thereof. The Linux market was basically not a real market before because their market share was simply too small.

                                                                There are plenty of products made for resentful markets and as long as they keep being profitable they don't care.

                                                                • consp an hour ago

                                                                  > Companies don't support Linux because it's not widespread enough so it can't outweigh the costs.

                                                                  I'm pretty sure they made the calculation assuming the GabeBox from Valve is a success and didn't want to miss out.

                                                                • fragmede an hour ago

                                                                  Companies? gasp corporations? Using, spit, money? HOW DARE THEY!

                                                                • kaoD 3 hours ago

                                                                  They're just trying to ride the wave of Valve's deck (and they will fail). The fact is that, since I bought the Steam Deck, I bought less from GOG and more from Valve.

                                                                  And this won't change a thing: it doesn't matter if they make a Linux-native frontend to the horrible GOG Galaxy. I just want my games to launch as seamlessly as they do from Valve's UI, not yet another launcher that I have to launch on top of Valve's system UI. I am already doing that with Heroic Games Launcher, which is far better than whatever they will concoct in-house and supports many other stores.

                                                                  • johnnyanmac an hour ago

                                                                    >I just want my games to launch as seamlessly as they do from Valve's UI

                                                                    Valve integrated steam all the way down to the OS level to do all that. GOG galaxy meanwhile is focusing more on being an accompanying app to optionally use than centralizing everything under GOG. I think Galaxy trying to strive to be as "seamless" will break the very philosophy of GOG to begin with; being a store to grab games you truly own, not a platform to immerse yourself in.

                                                                • cynicalsecurity a few seconds ago

                                                                  Finally. The previous hate GOG showed towards Linux was absolutely ridiculous.

                                                                  • easyThrowaway 3 hours ago

                                                                    Hopefully they'll somehow support Proton and Valve devices. Trying to run older windows-only games bought on GOG with launchers like Heroic is a bit of a hit or miss, despite the Steam releases of the same games having somehow a bigger chance of working out of the box. I guess there are some weird differences between the default Proton Runtime and the proton-ge/wine-ge builds.

                                                                    • prmoustache 3 hours ago

                                                                      If you have steam installed on the same machine, you can use proton runtimes from steam already.

                                                                      • consp an hour ago

                                                                        I use proton experimental to run most windows tools with no linux support. Small script in the script nautilus folder and there you go "run-win.sh" for all (util a native tool emerges).

                                                                    • alturp 19 minutes ago

                                                                      The so-called fragmentation people criticizes in the comments is also a strength for free software systems in long term.

                                                                      • lionkor 7 minutes ago

                                                                        Fragmentation means competition, and competition is usually good as long as it lasts

                                                                      • Kim_Bruning 2 hours ago

                                                                        On the upside, this might mean I'll buy more stuff from GOG again. Steam+Proton is just so darn convenient.

                                                                        • trwired an hour ago

                                                                          This is one thing that's been puzzling for me ever since I switched to Linux full time a few years ago and so also started gaming on it.

                                                                          In my experience GOG bought games handled by Lutris/Heroic/Mini Galaxy trump Steam in convenience almost every time. There's been quite a few deal breaking issues with Steam client and/or Proton that went unaddressed by Valve for months that just never happened to me on the GOG+game manager combo. (Remember the most recent Steam rewrite that made certain UI elements not work on Linux and which still needs a workaround option in the client years later?) All that on top of another application requiring full browser engine under the hood eating resources just to be able to launch a game. I don't know if I am just extremely unlucky to get hit with every Linux related issue on Steam and notice its drawbacks or if people are offering Valve unreasonably high leniency, because they see then as some sort of champion of gaming on Linux, while not giving enough to other players like GOG.

                                                                          Pardon my rant.

                                                                          • Tade0 42 minutes ago

                                                                            The Steam client was always flaky as hell - on Windows as well.

                                                                            I've always wondered were problems on Steam's side or on the side of game devs implementing its APIs?

                                                                            Anyway I personally experienced scaling issues, but chalked that up to my DE being unreliable. I also occasionally can't click on certain UI elements, but I recall this being a problem in Windows as well.

                                                                            • nottorp 15 minutes ago

                                                                              > made certain UI elements not work on Linux

                                                                              ... and on Mac OS. For a while i had to play games with what control has focus to PAY them.

                                                                          • anthonj 3 hours ago

                                                                            That's very nice to hear. But diffuclt to beat valve here, they are actively contributing to drivers and wine. When you buy even just windows software from steam you are helping funding that.

                                                                            • xtracto an hour ago

                                                                              I don't think they are trying to beat valve. GoG has been like those airlines that fly where no major airlines want to fly. Filling a underserved but large market.

                                                                              • Tade0 36 minutes ago

                                                                                I have a hunch that the currently sole owner just wants to do this until retirement. GoG is financially stable so there's no pressure to increase revenue.

                                                                                I see no simpler explanation why someone would buy out a subsidiary like that.

                                                                                All in all, GoG thrives on people being sentimental and it's totally in character for the owner to be sentimental as well.

                                                                            • delaminator 3 hours ago

                                                                              I always make sure to not use the GoG downloader just download the game.

                                                                              I don't need a client with your branding all over it, that has socials and my library and all engagement bait like that.

                                                                              I figure it's one step away from putting the DRM back on so you have to use the launcher to get a game from GOG.

                                                                              Just let me buy games and then shut up.

                                                                              • mort96 an hour ago

                                                                                I like Steam as a user. It syncs game saves between computers. It takes care of game updates. It has a decent launcher UI that I use on my living room computer so that I can launch games using an xbox controller. It makes Windows games work without any fuss. And when I play with friends, it lets me join friends' games without having to deal with in-game lobby systems. It lets me show FPS counters and system info in a unified way even in games without built-in support for that stuff. That is all stuff I want.

                                                                                Game launchers are a good idea that lots of people want. A good game launcher needs both deep game integration and an online account, to provide save game syncing, joining friends and updating games. So far, it's mainly Steam which has been able to do this on PC. If GoG wants to compete, which it does, it only makes sense for it to provide the same.

                                                                                It's not some evil scheme.

                                                                                • freehorse an hour ago

                                                                                  Having a downloader is a bit more convenient for getting game updates (you can always download the update manually and run it of course) and also for big games where you have to download multiple files to install. So it makes sense to want to have such a tool, as a big part of getting and retaining customers is convenience. But been there, I have done it, and it is doable, and sometimes preferable. Eg you may not want to install gog in a machine to play a game, or I may want to play a game through crossover but not download gog through crossover to get the windows version: with steam, I cannot do that. But even if you download the game through gog client for convenience, you do not need to run the gog client to launch the game anyway.

                                                                                  • RamRodification an hour ago

                                                                                    Can we not allow them to continue letting you buy games (outside the launcher) and not shut up?

                                                                                    • xtracto an hour ago

                                                                                      Steam is pretty popular on that though. I'm sure GoG did it following on their steps. Back when GOG started it was pretty much download from web and run.

                                                                                      • johnnyanmac an hour ago

                                                                                        Like it or not, a lot of people love a virtualization of their library. So the option is nice.

                                                                                        I like GOG's launcher because 1) it's open source and 2) it can show other gamijg libraries thanks to fan maintained plugins. Those aspects give me a sense that the goal here (outside of to lower the friction into GOG's store) is indeed to serve the user

                                                                                        And if that changes, it's easy to take my ball and go home. GOG trying to push hard on any DRM is basically them surrendering to Steam.

                                                                                        • delaminator an hour ago

                                                                                          Going to a website's hardly massive friction is it ?

                                                                                          I've got tens of games through GoG and it's always my first port of call if I want a game. Because it keeps out of the way.

                                                                                          If it's got value to people, fair enough, it's got value to people. That's just my opinion. All I want you to do is sell me games. But we all know about enshittification and MBAs trying to round the wagons.

                                                                                          • johnnyanmac 15 minutes ago

                                                                                            I agree with you. I'm still a greybeard who organizes my games in a folder and finds the exe to click. At best I'll keep a handy folder of shortcuts for games I play often on my desktop. I even keep my startup programs to a bare minimum of my communication lines (if I wanna boot up steam, I'll type it in the search bar or wait for the launched game that requires it).

                                                                                            But we're in this hyper optimized world where kids are literally being auto scrolled through short form content. Attention spans have been utterly shot. So yes, there's a large number of people out there that see "going into a website and finding a game" as too much friction. That's a larger societal issue that I can't do much about in times where my country needs to debate the merits of citizens being shot on the streets by federal agents. Maybe one day we can get back to a point where proper educational and parental supprt resources is, say, a top 20 issue?

                                                                                      • everdrive an hour ago

                                                                                        I'm very excited for this. GoG is a DRM-free platform (for the most part) and I see it as the only positive competition Steam has. Imagine how bad the gaming landscape would be if a company like Epic soundly defeated Valve. They would enshittify at record pace. GoG doing well would only put positive pressure on other players. Ideally, you want your opponents to be healthy and sane, in case they win. And sane opponents drive the market towards better outcomes. I'll definitely buy some classics from GoG with their Linux client.

                                                                                        • ForHackernews 9 minutes ago

                                                                                          There's some great Linux gaming distros out these days,

                                                                                          https://bazzite.gg/ is based on Fedora

                                                                                          and https://chimeraos.org/ is almost like SteamOS for non-Steam hardware. It ships a console-like UI on top of an immutable Arch base.

                                                                                          • l0b0 4 hours ago

                                                                                            "GOG GALAXY is a long-lived product with a large and complex C++ codebase." Also known as a shitshow. Hopefully the new engineer(s) will be encouraged to at least add some tests and refactor things to stay sane.

                                                                                            No mention of a license, though. I guess it'll stay closed source.

                                                                                            • thaumasiotes 4 hours ago

                                                                                              > I guess it'll stay closed source.

                                                                                              It's a DRM implementation. It has to stay closed source.

                                                                                              • bpye 3 hours ago
                                                                                                • PunchyHamster 3 hours ago

                                                                                                  I guess depends what you consider DRM, some games appear to have problems

                                                                                                  https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/label_the_games_that_have_...

                                                                                                  • account42 2 hours ago

                                                                                                    And we have always been at war with Eurasia.

                                                                                                    • krige 3 hours ago

                                                                                                      Last I checked, there is loads of DRM on GOG and most of the games that have it, force you to use Galaxy.

                                                                                                      • gamesieve 3 hours ago

                                                                                                        Many games with multiplayer features require Galaxy for those multiplayer features. You can consider this DRM-equivalent if you want. However, every singleplayer game on GOG will work without Galaxy installed, and that singleplayer gameplay will be completely DRM-free in every possible way. (That's at least 99.6% of the games on GOG, but eyeballing the 22 games which don't specify that they're singleplayer games, most of them simply have incomplete metadata, so it's really 99.9% of them.)

                                                                                                        • PurpleRamen an hour ago

                                                                                                          Depending on the launcher does not imply DRM. It could be a features-dependency to make the old games working or just allow certain features.

                                                                                                          • tommica 3 hours ago

                                                                                                            Really? What games are those? I've not encountered a single one :/

                                                                                                            • krige 3 hours ago

                                                                                                              Off the top of my head Crime Cities on launch forced me to use Galaxy to play it. I vividly remember this because the game also ran like complete crap.

                                                                                                              • gamesieve 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                Galaxy can be required for multiplayer aspects in games, but if what you say is true for the singleplayer part of the game, GOG will consider it a bug, and will get it fixed.

                                                                                                                There's nothing in the Crime Cities GOG forum about this, nor in the various tracking threads in the main forum, and generally GOG users are extremely sensitive about anything which even reeks of forcing Galaxy, so I'd strongly expect any issue to be known.

                                                                                                                I've seen cases where the developer implemented a bad online check, so that if you blocked the program from accessing the internet while the OS reported being online, the game would hang or crash, but being fully offline would work. Could it be that something like that was at play here? Oh, or that you simply picked the wrong installer for the game, and thus ran the Galaxy-installer rather than the offline installer?

                                                                                                                • Springtime 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                  I think too it can be misleading since on Windows the default LNK shortcut that is created after the game installation launches Galaxy with arguments instead of being a path to the direct game EXE (which works entirely without Galaxy and how I run games).

                                                                                                                  They do this to push Galaxy for convenience I suppose as most are used to clients that handle updates but it can be confusing if some wonder why for instance their offline installer shortcut opened Galaxy instead.

                                                                                                                  • gamesieve 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                    If the wine experience is anything to go by, if you don't have Galaxy installed at all, the shortcuts will also just point to the .exe - but yeah, I suspect it must be something like this.

                                                                                                                    • thaumasiotes an hour ago

                                                                                                                      > on Windows the default LNK shortcut that is created after the game installation launches Galaxy with arguments instead of being a path to the direct game EXE

                                                                                                                      I think they've recently changed this.

                                                                                                                  • gamesieve 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                    I had Crime Cities lying around since it was a freebie on GOG many years ago, so I just went ahead and installed it using vanilla wine. There was absolutely no Galaxy requirement for installing or playing the single player part of the game.

                                                                                                              • da_grift_shift 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                Yet the standalone offline installed games won't run without libgalaxy.dylib (Mac) or Galaxy64.dll (Windows) which is responsible for outbound connections to https://galaxy-log.gog.com and https://insights-collector.gog.com?

                                                                                                                To be clear: if you buy Disco Elysium on GOG, download the "offline game installer" without using Galaxy, install it, and run the game on a desert island, it will work (the network requests fail open). But if you try to run the game after removing the bundled dylib/DLL, it will not.

                                                                                                                Why do Galaxy-free games ship with a mandatory dependency on Galaxy?

                                                                                                                • nottorp 12 minutes ago

                                                                                                                  > Why do Galaxy-free games ship with a mandatory dependency on Galaxy?

                                                                                                                  Because the developer linked the dynamic library in at compile time instead of writing additional code to load it at runtime and disabling/enabling features based on its presence.

                                                                                                                  You can call it budget limitations, incompetence or lack of respect for the customer. Doubt it's intentional DRM though.

                                                                                                                • stavros 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                  Famously so. The main method of deployment was an offline installer before they made Galaxy, and AFAIK Galaxy just downloads and runs the installer.

                                                                                                                  • gamesieve 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                    Not quite. You can use Galaxy to download the offline installers (or just do that through the website), but when you install a game through Galaxy, it downloads a special build which it just copies to the right location, without running a separate installer.

                                                                                                                    • KptMarchewa 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                      No, it doesn't use offline installers. Source: worked on that in the past.

                                                                                                                      https://content-system.gog.com/

                                                                                                                      • thaumasiotes 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                        The running game can also call out to Galaxy and unlock, or not unlock, ingame content based on what it hears back. It's pretty difficult to imagine a definition of "digital rights management" that doesn't include this.

                                                                                                                        • CopperWing 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                          As far as I remember, the only games which optionally need Galaxy running are those will online multiplayer, and only if you want to play online. This is because the original developers shutdown their own servers for matchmaking or originally used Steam servers for that. GOG servers are only replacing those.

                                                                                                                          • gamesieve 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                            There are also a handful of games which put some additional purely cosmetic content behind an online check. That could be the start of a slippery slope, which people are justly upset about, but they then do an injustice to their cause by generalizing from those cases.

                                                                                                                            • account42 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                              It's not a slippery slope but already full blown DRM plain and simple. Both online functionality limited to GOG-run servers and checks for cosmetic content.

                                                                                                                    • falcor84 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                      Why? Can't DRM be implemented in open source, and only have private keys kept secret?

                                                                                                                      • elsjaako 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                        If we have DRM with some private key, then I guess your idea is I download the game files and some private key and that allows me to run the game.

                                                                                                                        If I can send you the private key and the game and it allows you to run the game with no further inputs, then the DRM is trivially broken (even without open source).

                                                                                                                        If it does some online check, then if the source is open we can easily make a version that bypasses the online check.

                                                                                                                        If there is some check on the local PC (e.g. the key only works if some hardware ID is set correctly), we can easily find out what it checks, capture that information, package it, and make a new version of the launcher that uses this packaged data instead of the real machine data.

                                                                                                                        If you use a private key to go online and retrieve more data, having it be open source makes it trivial to capture that data, package it, and write a new version of the launcher that uses that packaged data.

                                                                                                                        Basically, DRM requires that there is something that is not easy to copy, and it being open source makes it a lot easier to copy.

                                                                                                                        • Borealid 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                          How would you define it if:

                                                                                                                          - the DRM/delivery software is open source

                                                                                                                          - the game payload is sent to you encrypted using the public key of a secure enclave on your computer

                                                                                                                          - while the game runs all its memory is symmetrically encrypted (by your own CPU) using a key private to that secure enclave. It is only decrypted in the CPU's cache lines, which are flushed when the core runs anything other than the game (even OS code)

                                                                                                                          - the secure enclave refuses to switch to the context in which the CPU is allowed to use the decryption key unless a convolution-only (not overwriteable with arbitrary values) register inside itself had the correct value

                                                                                                                          - the convolution-only register is written with the "wrong" value, by your own computer's firmware, if you use a bootloader that is not trusted by the DRM system to disallow faking the register (ie, you need secure boot and a trusted OS)

                                                                                                                          That doesn't seem to fit in any of your models. There's no online check, you can't send someone else the key because it's held in hostile-to-you hardware, you can't bypass the local-PC check because it's entirely opaque to you (even the contents of RAM are encrypted). You can crack into a CPU itself I guess?

                                                                                                                          I don't think the mechanism of the DRM being open source helps with the copying AT ALL in this design.

                                                                                                                          This design is, by the way, quite realistic: most modern CPUs support MK-TME (encrypted RAM mediated by a TPM) and all Windows 11 PCs have a TPM. Companies just haven't gotten there yet.

                                                                                                                          • fragmede an hour ago

                                                                                                                            Thank goodness!

                                                                                                                      • KwanEsq 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                        This is factually incorrect. GOG famously has no DRM.

                                                                                                                        • thaumasiotes 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                          Try checking on the facts first. GOG famously has a slogan that says they have no DRM. They are lying in their slogan.

                                                                                                                    • indolering 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                      Why is the launcher not at least public source? GOG's value add is the service it provides, not the specialness of its launcher.

                                                                                                                      Hopefully they will pursue a container/Flatpak native system but probably not!

                                                                                                                      • kleiba 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                        Geez, that headline was hard to parse.

                                                                                                                        • nottorp 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                          New owner means their disgust of Linux is fading.

                                                                                                                          • anthk an hour ago

                                                                                                                            Tons of libre game engines will work with GOG data:

                                                                                                                            https://osgameclones.com

                                                                                                                            • sylware an hour ago

                                                                                                                              Oh, really?

                                                                                                                              GOG is now providing a 'correct' set of ELF64 binaries as a client? (I guess (wayland->x11, vulkan->cpu))

                                                                                                                              Hopefully, they will support self-hosted email servers not in the DNS, mobile phone numbers, and wallet codes.

                                                                                                                              • pjmlp 4 hours ago

                                                                                                                                Thankfully it seems to be not yet another Electron crap shell.

                                                                                                                                • Anonyneko 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                  In my experience, Galaxy works no better than a web app, unfortunately. Similarly laggy and lacks the snappiness you'd normally associate with a native app.

                                                                                                                                  • pjmlp 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                    Oh well.

                                                                                                                                  • KptMarchewa 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                    It's not Electron, however it uses Chromium Embedded Framework underneath.

                                                                                                                                    • pjmlp 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                      Oh, another desilusion then.

                                                                                                                                    • high_na_euv an hour ago

                                                                                                                                      Electron is best crossplatform tech available

                                                                                                                                    • thrownawaysz 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                      >Competitive Salary – We ensure fair and attractive compensation that reflects your skills and experience: 18 000 - 27 000 PLN/month

                                                                                                                                      I know it's eastern Europe but that's $5000-7500 a month, barely $90k a year. It sounds like a solo job too so a lot of responsibility for this salary.

                                                                                                                                      • delta_p_delta_x 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                        > $90k a year.

                                                                                                                                        $90K a year goes much further in most of Europe barring the centres of the biggest cities—let alone eastern Europe—than it does in the US.

                                                                                                                                        NYC and Bay Area salaries are outrageously inflated, with much of the take-home being funnelled into four/five digit rents or mortgages for houses built out of matchsticks, car loans, health insurance payments, and more. None of this is necessary or costs as much in most of Europe, or the rest of the world, really.

                                                                                                                                        • plqbfbv 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                          That's in the 50k EUR - 77k EUR range which is senior-level pay in EU. Add to that it includes pension, tax prepayments and health insurance. They also seem to offer lots of perks in the office.

                                                                                                                                          If you account for the fact that Poland is generally less expensive than the average and that the average monthly living cost is ~900 EUR ( https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?cou... ), even the 50k lower bracket is in the higher range. You get ~2k EUR net/month in your account after pension and tax contributions, health insurance, rent and expenses (as a single). That's not bad at all. EDIT: (excluding rent)

                                                                                                                                          • KptMarchewa 14 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                            900 EUR might be enough for student-like living if you own the apartment you're living in, or by sharing a room when renting, but it's not even close to acceptable level in Warsaw.

                                                                                                                                          • mort96 an hour ago

                                                                                                                                            $90k a year before tax is a very very good salary in Norway, and even a decent developer salary. It's much better in eastern Europe.

                                                                                                                                            • lewispollard 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                              Yeah that's a good salary in Europe. It's only slightly less than I make in the UK as a senior.

                                                                                                                                              • rnhmjoj an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                Barely? It's more than twice the mediage wage in Poland.

                                                                                                                                                • isbvhodnvemrwvn 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                  Welcome to Europe!

                                                                                                                                                  • nottorp 10 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                    Their lattes also cost much less than a Silicon Valley latte :)

                                                                                                                                                    • p4bl0 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                      The standard of living is higher in France than in eastern Europe, and even in France that's considered a high salary.

                                                                                                                                                      • trwired 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                        That's a very livable wage in Poland. The wages are significantly lower, but so are the costs of living.

                                                                                                                                                        • tokai 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                          US devs are vastly over payed.

                                                                                                                                                          • mschuster91 an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                            In Eastern Europe, that's 1% level of income when measured against the quality of life you can have.