• yk 3 hours ago

    Bitcoin did two things to this paper, first it demonstrates that Byzantine fault tolerance has practical applications, and second it demonstrates that anytime you have to deal with Byzantine fault tolerance the question is not "How do I verify this message?" but "Why am I trying to deal with those assholes?"

  • Festivity1299 2 hours ago

    Hey man, leave Keanu out of this

    • HeliumHydride 3 hours ago

      "Listen, regardless of which Byzantine fault tolerance protocol you pick, Twitter will still have fewer than two nines of availability. As it turns out, Ted the Poorly Paid Datacenter Operator will not send 15 cryptographically signed messages before he accidentally spills coffee on the air conditioning unit."

      • riffraff 7 hours ago

        This is one of my favorite quotes from technical comedic writing

        > “How can you make a reliable computer service?” the presenter will ask in an innocent voice before continuing, “It may be difficult if you can’t trust anything and the entire concept of happiness is a lie designed by unseen overlords of endless deceptive power.”

        If you didn't know Mickens[0] and you enjoyed this piece, you may want to peruse more of the same[1]. They're not all this good, but they are good.

        [0] which I discovered through HN years ago, thanks folks [1] https://danielcompton.net/james-mickens-collection

      • AnimalMuppet 7 hours ago

        I don't actually care about byzantine fault tolerance. But, James Mickens wrote it? I'm reading.

        • Avicebron 6 hours ago

          The Night Watch... https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf is one of my all time favorite pieces of internet writing

          • rubenflamshep 4 hours ago

            Can you believe there are people out there who haven't read this yet? I can, because one of them was me. This was incredible.

            > A systems programmer will know what to do when society breaks down, because the systems programmer already lives in a world without law.

            • nemosaltat 3 hours ago

              Me also, I found Mickens through his Harvard Tenure post, but somehow just found Night's Watch today.

            • bloaf 29 minutes ago

              "I have no tools because I've destroyed my tools with my tools" is a phrase I think to myself at least weekly.

            • nemosaltat 7 hours ago

              Your theories on Muppet physiology are childish and naïve, and I viciously refute them in my upcoming article “Parasitic Infections of Muppet Gastrointestinal Hand Holes.”

              [0] https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/tenure-announcement-april-2...

            • cushychicken 7 hours ago

              Mickens is a rare combination of bright, engaging, and absolutely hysterical.

              I hope I get to meet him someday.

              • bigstrat2003 an hour ago

                Same. No idea how that could ever happen but it would make my year. Mickens is a treasure.

            • brunooliv 3 hours ago

              Mickens is the best!

              • nilslindemann 4 hours ago

                Things would be profoundly simpler if Judge Dredd would take care of computer crackers.

                • jeffrallen 6 hours ago

                  This is why I no longer work on trustless systems.

                  In actually useful business problems, there is trust to be "exploited" to make the system simpler than Byzantine algorithms can manage. And what if the trust is exploited for theft? Then the parties take a loss, learn who can't be trusted, and get on with business.

                  Humans trust. Their systems should too.