• Insanity an hour ago

    This month I read "Carthage Must Be Destroyed" (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10133950-carthage-must-b...), which dives deep into Hannibal's war against Rome (and the other punic wars).

    I highly recommend reading about what happened from the Carthaginian perspective instead of the typical Roman perspective.

    There's also some elaboration on the usage of elephants, the feasibility of of this, and how ultimately ineffective it was for war. (It was great for scaring the enemy, but the issue is they indiscriminately hurt both armies).

    • Starman_Jones an hour ago

      Worth noting that these would have been North African elephants, a now-extinct subspecies. It is not as tall as the modern African elephant - 2.5m at the shoulder, as compared to 3 to 3.5m for African elephants. A large warhorse might measure 1.5m tall, for comparison.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_elephant

      • Mordisquitos an hour ago

        It is my understanding that Asian elephants are easier to tame by humans than African elephants, which is evident just by seeing how elephants are used in parts of Asia and how they are used (not) in Africa. Also circus elephants, when they were still common, would always be Asian elephants and not African ones. The reason I'm pointing this out is that I wonder whether the North African subspecies was more amenable to taming than still extant subspecies of the African elephant.

        • wahern 22 minutes ago

          There are multiple species of African elephants, and the North African elephant may yet turn out to be related if not identical to one of the others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_elephant#Taxonom... The African forest elephant is of similar size, and it would be interesting if the forest elephant is indeed more easily trained.

        • rightbyte an hour ago

          > A large warhorse might measure 1.5m tall, for comparison.

          By sadle hight not at ear top hight, right?

      • dzink 8 minutes ago

        After interacting with some Asian elephants with handlers recently this makes a lot more sense. Even if he used North African elephants - they can hike up and down mountains and rough terrain easily with stability. I’m assuming they could pull equipment and even potentially be armed and armored. They are incredible creatures.

        • jimnotgym 39 minutes ago

          Hannibal loved it when a plan came together.

          The latter years of his life must have been very disappointing

          • AdmiralAsshat an hour ago

            Terror Lake salutes Hannibal crossing the alps

            • L2007W 2 hours ago

              Herodotus wrote of fire breathing ants in Egypt.

              • RupertSalt 2 hours ago

                He was referring to his mother’s sisters.

                Misinterpreted all the time. Very similar terms in the Greek sources.

              • keeganpoppen 2 hours ago

                score yet another win for the stories of antiquity being more right than wrong.

                • bluGill 2 hours ago

                  I don't think anyone doubted the story. The details might be questionable, but the basics that he tried to fight with elephants is highly likely. We have plenty of sources for War Elephants in his time, so the idea that he didn't have them would be the larger surprise if someone could prove that.

                  • SketchySeaBeast 2 hours ago

                    I think it would be more accurate to say "based upon true events".