• pingou 7 hours ago
    • BalinKing 9 hours ago

      Slightly surprised to learn Master and Commander is “lowbrow”—is it just because it’s not an art film or whatever? Usually I’d expect Marvel films to be described that way (unfairly imo, when it comes to the Phase One batch at least)…

      • canjobear 7 hours ago

        It's clearly in a different category from the "highbrow" examples like Solaris, just by virtue of being entertaining to a broad audience. In contrast Solaris is the kind of movie where there's a five minute unbroken scene that's just a guy driving in traffic and thinking about his life. (Like the author, I like them both!)

        • thundergolfer 8 hours ago

          The ‘brow’ standards have dropped significantly, in a process Fussell has described as the general proletarianization of culture.

          For a long time films that would be considered niche and arthouse were middlebrow, because film itself was at best a middlebrow medium.

          To people still concerned with the various brows, Marvel films are below low. They are sign of a debased and infantile film culture that caters to childish tastes and merchandising, not art.

          • mordechai9000 8 hours ago

            Years ago I was surprised to read a critic that described Branagh's Hamlet as middlebrow. I mean, Henry V, sure - that only even qualifies as middlebrow because it's Shakespeare. I would assume it was lowbrow at the time it was written. I love the prologue, though.

            • thundergolfer 7 hours ago

              Yeah I'd say the critic was most likely affirming the idea that film is a middlebrow medium. Seeing Hamlet at the Globe is high brow, but seeing Hamlet as the cinema is middlebrow.

              • TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago

                The Globe is full of tourists, so it's multibrow at best.

                Bourdieu's take was that the working classes like simple sentimental art, the middle classes like aspirational, middlebrow art because they feel they have something to prove, and the upper classes often prefer kitsch.

                Although sometimes it's high status middlebrow kitsch, such as a lot of opera and light classical music, which is more sentimental than technical.

                Most opera lovers have no idea who Luigi Nono was, and would care less if they did know.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joteZTLpHdE

                Highbrow art is the exclusive niche domain of intellectuals and academics UNLESS it's been commodified into a Veblen good, like contemporary art.

          • rexpop 8 hours ago

            Marvel films are commercial tripe. Pure commodity fetishism and cheap spectacle. Utterly without literary merit.

            Master and Commander is pretentious pulp. Real, quality media is obscure, and largely unpalatable to our debased modern sensibilities.

          • didgeoridoo 8 hours ago

            > lower-class people are in a sort of local maxima

            If the writer knew that the correct term is “maximum” (singular) and misused the Latin on purpose, this is brilliant. Failing that, it’s still a wonderful inadvertent enactment of the thesis. Well done either way.

            • readthenotes1 8 hours ago

              Poorly done, either way ...

            • sfpotter 8 hours ago

              He sees through his beer purchases but he doesn't see through his seeing through them.

              • FeteCommuniste 3 hours ago

                Meaning what? That true enlightenment is to affirm openly all your likes and dislikes with no care for what anyone else thinks of them?

                • TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago

                  That's what Virgina Woolf said.

                  To be highbrow, you can like whatever you like as long as other people don't like it too.

                  (She didn't say that last part out loud, but it's strongly implied.)