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  • voidUpdate 2 days ago

    > "Can you see a way to transform a string of 8 apples "" into a string of 10 apples ""?"

    Am I missing something? The only rules we have are BAB -> AAA and BBB -> BB, and we start with only A, no B, so neither of those rules can be used, so the answer is no?

    EDIT: Ah, looks like you cant put emoji in HN comments. Imagine there's apples in there

    • Phemist 2 days ago

      The relations are bi-directional. So you can change AAA -> BAB and BB -> BBB as well.

      • dhosek 2 days ago

        Yeah, that was the secret sauce that left me a bit confused

        • voidUpdate 2 days ago

          Oh, I see. That makes sense

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        • entaloneralie 2 days ago

          I'm too scared to leave the comfy world of commutative monoids.

          • Sesse__ 2 days ago

            Is the word problem easier if the monoids are commutative? (Or even trivial? I haven't thought deeply about it.)

            • hyperpape 2 days ago

              I haven't previously thought about this, but I think words over a commutative monoid are equivalent to a vector of non-negative integers, at which point you have vector addition systems, and I believe those are decidable, though still computationally incredibly hard: https://www.quantamagazine.org/an-easy-sounding-problem-yiel....

              • Sesse__ 2 days ago

                Thanks, that's an interesting tidbit!

                (The whole thing made me think about applications to SQL query optimizers, although I'm not sure if it's practically useful for anything.)

          • thecatwentup 2 days ago

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