• hn_throwaway_99 3 hours ago

    So, perhaps a dumb question, but the article mentions that 14 steps have been added to the base of the Angel of Independence monument, and the Wikipedia article mentions the same things:

    > Originally, nine steps led to the base, but due to the sinking of the ground, an ongoing problem in Mexico City, fourteen more steps have been added.

    So why didn't the monument itself also sink? Does it have piles going down to bedrock or something?

    • resist_futility 2 hours ago

      thousands of wooden piles to create a foundation with the first one even failing and the foundation being reconstructed

      http://www.mexicomaxico.org/ParisMex/resumen.htm

      • sandworm101 2 hours ago

        Also from wikipedia: ... "The commission determined that the foundations of the monument were poorly planned, so it was decided to demolish the structure."

        So yes, it has an engineered foundation, a double-engineered foundation. The roads around it almost certainly do not. So it is plausible that the monument is not sinking as quickly.

        • wartywhoa23 3 hours ago

          Angels don't sink, they rise! :)

          • AntiUSAbah 3 hours ago

            Depending of what stories you want to reference with this: Lucifer, Belial, Beelzebub all did not 'rise'.

            • wartywhoa23 2 hours ago

              Surely The Angel Of Independence must ascend, no? :)

              • sundarurfriend an hour ago

                I don't know the actual Christian theology, but at least in modern popular interpretations, Lucifer is the Angel of Independence, so that would suggest no!

        • pcrh 2 hours ago

          The amount of subsidence is quite dramatic, up to 25 cm per year!

          What are the practical consequences of this today, and what is being done to remedy this?

          • nadermx 2 hours ago

            They are clearly not doing enough to remedy this; The only real solucion is to stop pumping the ground water, like I believe Japan did.

            • Schiendelman 34 minutes ago

              Miami has a similar issue, doesn't it?

              • manquer 28 minutes ago

                so does Jakarta and few other cities in the world.

          • ani_k47 an hour ago

            I really can't believe that an issue discovered in 1925 still isn't solved. A kind of issue which wont take a Nobel prize to be solved. This is sad.

            • BurningFrog 2 minutes ago

              Many, many problems have good practical solutions that are politically impossible to implement.

              • chrisco255 43 minutes ago

                What solution? The earth is constantly moving and churning. The article states the city is built on an aquifer.

                • trillic 29 minutes ago

                  Mexico City was built on top of a lake that was dried to facilitate the expansion of the city.

                  • 1270018080 21 minutes ago

                    > What solution

                    The nobel prize winner hopefully figures that out

                • gurjeet 4 hours ago

                  For the uninitiated, ISRO -> Indian Space Research Organization

                  • petcat 32 minutes ago

                    My understanding is that Mexico (the government and the people) are basically incapable of actually fixing anything in their country so I'm wondering how something like this would ever be addressed?

                    • radicaldreamer 29 minutes ago

                      Have you visited Mexico City? Your view of Mexico is likely colored by media (particularly social media) and the on-the-ground reality can be quite different.

                      While it’s not the best run place, it is perfectly capable of large scale infra projects and state capacity and capability is pretty well developed.

                      • petcat 23 minutes ago

                        > the on-the-ground reality can be quite different

                        Mexico -> USA is by far the largest country-to-country migration corridor in the world by volume. So I doubt the "on the ground reality" is actually much different than what the media reports. There's a reason for it.

                      • manquer 29 minutes ago

                        Couldn't you say that about pretty much any government and people?

                      • zx8080 an hour ago

                        Cloudflare: verification rejected. Accessing from Japan.

                        Thank you very much, Cloudlare.

                        • anigbrowl 4 hours ago

                          I get that the article is primarily about the satellite capabilities, but it's rather annoying it doesn't mention what the future impact of the subsidence might be.

                          • greggsy 3 hours ago

                            I think that it’s quite responsible not to speculate on something they’re not an expert on.

                            It’s exactly the sort of news bite that catastrophists glom onto.

                            This is responsible journalism.

                            • PunchyHamster 2 hours ago

                              > I think that it’s quite responsible not to speculate on something they’re not an expert on.

                              "Recent satellite maps show Mexico City getting closer to hell at alarming rate"

                              • anigbrowl 2 hours ago

                                They could just call a geologist and ask, or cite some published works on the topic. It's not responsible, it's lazy.

                            • AntiUSAbah 3 hours ago

                              It breaks water lines which increases the water problem even faster. On one side because its expensive to fix and on the other side because small leaks lead to massive water losses you don't find fast or easy.

                              • robocat 43 minutes ago

                                Also broken mains lead to sinkholes: https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cj9zex1r3kjo

                                • dhosek 5 minutes ago

                                  There are also abandoned mines under parts of the city which also contributes to hazardous conditions.

                              • barney54 3 hours ago

                                Nor does it say how much subsidence the satellite documented.

                                • barbazoo 3 hours ago

                                  There's this under the picture.

                                  > New data from NISAR shows where Mexico City and its environs subsided by up to a few centimeters per month (shown in blue) between Oct. 25, 2025, and Jan. 17, 2026

                                  • dhosek 3 minutes ago

                                    The labels on the map were also confusing, and at first because of the relative positioning of the texts identifying the airport and the angel I thought up was East and not North, although a closer inspection made things clearer (and yes, up is North).