• bigiain 2 minutes ago

    "Dress up. Leave a false name. Be legendary. The best Poetic Terrorism is against the law, but don’t get caught. Art as crime; crime as art." -- T.A.Z.: The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism, 1985

    The whole piece is great - https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/hakim-bey-t-a-z-the-...

    Or if you have 5 mins to spare, the album version with Bill Laswell is even better - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt9vMF01Pd8

    • ggm 3 hours ago

      The point is not just that he's blinded by the flag: He's boldly marching into the void, confident. "wrapped in the flag" is a great saying.

      • ninjagoo 6 minutes ago

        > He's boldly marching into the void

        into the void, or off the edge?

        "off the edge" is a clear interpretation of the statue. "into the void" is a bit more of a stretch. IMHO.

        But that's art for you. Everyone has their own take on it.

        • ua709 3 hours ago

          Worse than a void because a void is not necessarily bad. Walking “off a cliff” rarely ends well.

          • freedomben an hour ago

            Agree, but that's what we know. The man in the statue is walking into a void from his perspective because he lacks knowledge of his true predicament and is blindly marching forward.

        • forgotusername6 3 hours ago

          I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.

          • hn_throwaway_99 8 minutes ago

            Strong disagree. First, like many of the other comments mention, Banksy is known for being clever and witty, but not particularly subtle.

            But more to the point, while you may think the meaning is a bit obvious, the fact that the flag is unadorned (which/whose flag is it?), and the man is unknown, makes me think this statue could be the ultimate Rorschach test. I'm sure there are tons of people thinking "Ha ha, this is the perfect commentary on all those idiot <people on the other side who I disagree with> wrapping themselves up in their ideology of <patriotism/social justice/cause du jour> as they march <some particular country/society/the world at large off a cliff>".

            In other words, I'm guessing you probably felt the meaning was "obvious" because you filled in the blanks in the above madlibs-style statement in a way that feels obvious to you, and I think folks on "the other side" would probably fill in the blanks with the exact opposite notions in a way that feels "obvious" to them.

            • tene80i 3 hours ago

              Not sure we think of Banksy as being particularly subtle. Innovative and impactful, sure - but the message is usually quite clear, no?

              • morkalork 2 hours ago

                It's always been about as subtle as a sledge hammer

                • EGreg 2 hours ago

                  He started with literally graffiti. So sure - not subtle!!

                • ares623 an hour ago

                  Our first exposure to Banksy was when we were hitting puberty. We probably thought they were subtle back then.

                • tialaramex 3 hours ago

                  I don't think most of his work is trying for subtle? First thing that came to mind: "Slave Labour" is pretty obvious, it's a kid operating a sewing machine to make Union flags and it was painted on an actual pound shop. Were you unsure of the message? Even something like "Silent Majority" isn't difficult, the comic book "V for Vendetta" makes the exact same point just Banksy painted it as a mural.

                  • EMM_386 an hour ago

                    > "in September 2025, Banksy painted a mural on the Royal Courts of Justice depicting a judge bludgeoning a protester with a gavel"

                    His other works aren't subtle.

                    • wand3r 3 hours ago

                      Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy. Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.

                      • kergonath 2 hours ago

                        > Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy.

                        Not sure if you are serious, but my experience is the exact opposite…

                      • tbrownaw 3 hours ago

                        > there is no doubt on the meaning at all

                        Which flag? Or, what kind of flag? Or does it matter?

                        • indy 2 hours ago

                          "The LGBTQIA flag obviously"

                          "It's clearly the national flag"

                          • actionfromafar an hour ago

                            Yes?

                          • kergonath an hour ago

                            It does not matter. Any ideology can be followed blindly to one’s ruin. Nationalism is common, but there are others.

                            • Findecanor 31 minutes ago

                              Why could it not mean multiple flags at once?

                              • blitzar 2 hours ago

                                the kind that flag shaggers shag

                                • bluescrn 7 minutes ago

                                  The ‘flag shaggers’ label made a lot more sense before the left became obsessed with waving their own flags.

                                • Ancapistani an hour ago

                                  I’d say what matters is whether it matters to you. What difference does it make in the outcome?

                                  • MattGaiser 2 hours ago

                                    Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.

                                    If you asked 100 people to imagine a particular flag to attach to that statue, 95% of them are going to be current, unrecognized, or former states.

                                    • wartywhoa23 3 hours ago

                                      It is universal. The flag, the state, the man. Details don't matter.

                                  • thinkingemote 3 hours ago

                                    it gets people talking which many of those who like it consider to be the primary point. In other words, it's not great public art, it's basically government approved engagement bait or engineered pro-establishment viral messaging and it's very successful at that! (but it doesn't inspire and elevate that art should aspire to)

                                    • nickthegreek 3 hours ago

                                      > engineered pro-establishment viral messaging

                                      I don’t understand this. What speaks pro-establishment in this piece?

                                      • chroma an hour ago

                                        It was installed in the middle of a street owned by the government. Police are guarding it to prevent vandalism or removal. Both the Westminster City Council and the Mayor of London have praised the statue and called for it to be preserved.[1][2]

                                        If the man holding the flag had been wearing a thawb instead of a suit, I think the establishment's response would be quite different.

                                        1. From https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y9wlnwl85o "We're excited to see Banksy's latest sculpture in Westminster, making a striking addition to the city's vibrant public art scene. While we have taken initial steps to protect the statue, at this time it will remain accessible for the public to view and enjoy."

                                        2. From https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/30/world/europe/banksy-londo... "Banksy has a great ability to inspire people from a range of backgrounds to enjoy modern art. His work always draws great interest and debate, and the mayor is hopeful that his latest piece can be preserved for Londoners and visitors to enjoy."

                                        • jjmarr 32 minutes ago

                                          The area it's installed in is famous for sculptures of figures that served the British Empire, generally in combat.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_art_in_St_James...

                                          It's not exactly subtle. A man goose stepping while blinded by a flag is a contrast to the other military figures portrayed in victorious poses.

                                        • teekert 3 hours ago

                                          If one can read this as pro-establishment, it's proof that the the art is indeed not so obvious as suggested above :)

                                          • pirate787 an hour ago

                                            In the UK the establishment is generally unsettled by the display of the English flag.

                                            https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/29/uk/st-george-flag-england...

                                            • overfeed 14 minutes ago

                                              Regional chauvinism is never good for a healthy union. Even if it were the Union Jack, flag-shaggers are almost always blood and soil zealots.

                                        • Jtarii 3 hours ago

                                          I think a good old fashined "we are all fucked" is warranted now and again.

                                          It's also referencing the recent flag controversies in the UK over the past year.

                                          • BoggleOhYeah an hour ago

                                            Have you seen the state of the world? Why would you go through the trouble of being subtle nowadays?

                                            • seydor 2 hours ago

                                              it's less than mediocre art. Using the following statue from Temu for vandalism would be a stronger art statement: https://www.temu.com/1pc-3d-printed-bride-sculpture-elegant-...

                                              • zeroonetwothree 3 hours ago

                                                Yes doesn’t feel very innovative

                                                • vscode-rest 3 hours ago

                                                  Do know know of any “prior art”, so to speak?

                                                • mindslight 3 hours ago

                                                  Well the problems it's referencing are glaringly obvious as well, and yet so many people still refuse to acknowledge them.

                                                  • LightBug1 2 hours ago

                                                    He's always been one to land a one-liner, or just a punch line.

                                                    Sadly, in this day and age, that simple one-punch obvious meaning is just what's needed.

                                                    • twoodfin 3 hours ago

                                                      I have the same reaction to Banksy, and figure he and his audience just have to be in on the joke? I can’t discount there’s some layered irony going on in conversation between the artist and the intellectual / capitalist / trend-setting elite that are his effective patrons.

                                                      “I remember when all this was trees” [1] is maybe the best example. Detroit hasn’t been “trees” in something like two centuries. Platitudes doused in treacle.

                                                      [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/01/ba...

                                                      • ungreased0675 2 hours ago

                                                        This one definitely lacks ambition compared to other works. Probably because his other work had a subversive undertone, this one seems sponsored by the powers that be. I also suspect it was installed with cooperation from the local authorities.

                                                        • fooqux an hour ago

                                                          I think you took a wildly different interpretation of this art than I did.

                                                          • BoggleOhYeah an hour ago

                                                            The “powers that be” hate ideology?

                                                        • ninjagoo 9 minutes ago

                                                          It's an interesting piece. Makes one think about all those folks that have a lot of pride and vanity for a place that they had no control over being born in. The luck of the draw.

                                                          And very likely had very little to do with the current state of the place. Pride at age 21? Meaningless vanity, like being proud of being born with a silver spoon. Pride at age 80? Sure, if it was a life well-lived.

                                                          • schoen 3 hours ago

                                                            I misparsed this headline as

                                                            (Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag (put up by Banksy)))) in central London

                                                            It is intended to be

                                                            ((Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag))) (put up by Banksy)) in central London

                                                            • tolerance 3 hours ago

                                                              The actual headline is more coherent but I'm not too fond of it either.

                                                              You really don't see any good ol' fashioned short and sweet headlines that read best to the ear in a Mid-Atlantic accent anymore.

                                                              • vscode-rest 3 hours ago

                                                                Banksy erects central London statue of man blinded by flag, maybe?

                                                              • saltyoldman 2 hours ago

                                                                I was like, that's horrible how did this flag cause someone to go blind... Did it like fall on the guy when Banksy was putting it up? oh. duh...

                                                              • nickthegreek 3 hours ago

                                                                The piece states that it appears to be molded fiberglass. But is anyone aware of any more in depth analysis of its materials/possible production technique? Was the pillar barren on top before?

                                                                • ZeroGravitas 2 hours ago

                                                                  The pillar is fiberglass too, I believe.

                                                                  There's a (mostly terrible) documentary about a previous bansky "statue" deposited in London that, in one of its better moments, tracks down the people who actually make statues for artists like banksy.

                                                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Banksy_Job

                                                                  edit: I feel I should clarify that this is not an official Banksy documentary. He made "Exit Through the Gift Shop" which is an amazing film which I highly recommend to anyone.

                                                                  • Animats 38 minutes ago

                                                                    Aw, it's Fiberglas? Not bronze and stone?

                                                                    The Wall Street Bull was a guerilla art piece too. It's a real bronze. Weighs about three metric tons. It's hugely popular, although it's been moved a few times. Banksy's work should be replicated in bronze and stone and placed permanently.

                                                                • wartywhoa23 3 hours ago

                                                                  Banksy's "anonymity" is a total farce at this point, thoroughly supported by those in power.

                                                                  • Lerc 2 hours ago

                                                                    I'm not sure what you mean by "Those in power" there are lot's of people who know, but recognise that he has chosen anonymity and see no value in putting a name to the person.

                                                                    It's not so much a secret as it is simply not public.

                                                                    • toyg 2 hours ago

                                                                      Who cares? Are you similarly triggered by The Rock or Alemao? Banksy is Banksy.

                                                                      • axus an hour ago

                                                                        Tracking Bansky is a favorite spy software sales demo given to authoritarian governments.

                                                                        • badgersnake 2 hours ago

                                                                          The point appears to have whizzed a couple of feet over your head.

                                                                        • periodjet 3 hours ago

                                                                          Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.

                                                                          • have_faith 2 hours ago

                                                                            Are you from the UK and know what the piece is a reference to? It’s topical and unpretentious and comes at a time where the country is splintering. Feels a like a bit of a distant midwit take to take shots at the appeal it has.

                                                                            • andai 2 hours ago

                                                                              Explain like I'm 13 and don't live in the UK.

                                                                            • hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 2 hours ago

                                                                              Splintering? You have two zombie parties that are really the same in different colours. Of course people are going to vote for other parties that seem more left/right wing. Predictable consequence.

                                                                              • danparsonson an hour ago

                                                                                Splintering because some are going one way and others are going the opposite direction. Heading to opposite extremes.

                                                                            • TehCorwiz 2 hours ago

                                                                              "Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world.

                                                                              • miketery 2 hours ago

                                                                                Why nationalism? A flag can represent more than a nation. Can be blinded by any "flag" / ideology.

                                                                                • wrxd 2 hours ago
                                                                                  • philk10 2 hours ago

                                                                                    I went back to England last year and couldn't believe how many flags there were, I was shocked and not in a good way

                                                                                    • nephihaha an hour ago

                                                                                      Every criticism levelled at the St. George's Cross can be levelled at the Union Jack. It is time people in England had a healthier relationship with their flag, more like Scotland and Wales, and less like Northern Ireland.

                                                                                      • actionfromafar 39 minutes ago

                                                                                        St. George's Cross is football brawls and "England uber alles". Union Jack is stiff upper lip and kicking nazis out of Europe.

                                                                                  • adolph 2 hours ago

                                                                                    The ambiguity is part of the charm. Something that reveals more about the beholders than the artist makes for stimulating conversation and discovery.

                                                                                    Even the new positioning of the art on a plinth in some open space is enigmatic. If it were a critique of the powers that be, why would officialdom collaborate in propping it up?

                                                                                    • jerkstate 2 hours ago

                                                                                      why indeed

                                                                                    • delusional 2 hours ago

                                                                                      Interpretations, in my art?

                                                                                      Seriously, this is part of the fun of art. Neither of you are wrong for reading different messages into it.

                                                                                      • MattGaiser 2 hours ago

                                                                                        Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.

                                                                                        • lucketone 2 hours ago

                                                                                          Nations != governments.

                                                                                          “Nations” as synonym for country started appearing only recently, in last two/three hundred years.

                                                                                          Flags have thousands of years of history.

                                                                                          • kergonath an hour ago

                                                                                            Flags also represent causes, or groups that don’t aspire to becoming a nation.

                                                                                            • nephihaha an hour ago

                                                                                              They don't at all. Consider for example that every single city, county and local council in the UK has a flag. There are flags for the United Nations, the European Union, Esperanto, every major football team and most political movements including the CND and anarchism.

                                                                                          • hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 2 hours ago

                                                                                            Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism?

                                                                                            It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art is like this.

                                                                                            • JuniperMesos 40 minutes ago

                                                                                              > Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism?

                                                                                              Clearly it depends on your actual object-level position on the Israel/Palestine conflict. Or in general, what specific nationalisms you mean when you talk about being "blinded by nationalism".

                                                                                              And that's the main reason why I think this is a mediocre piece of art. Very few people actually are genuinely anti-nationalist for all possible human groups that have some sense of themselves as a nation. All anti-nationalist rhetoric is implicitly aimed at a specific nationalism that someone has a problem with - and also everyone knows this. So everyone wants to use the blank slate of bansky's featureless flag as a canvas upon which to paint a nationalism they don't like in order to discredit it. And I personally think that's boring. Maybe engendering that reaction was itself part of Bansky's artistic vision, but I still don't think that makes for good art.

                                                                                              • kergonath an hour ago

                                                                                                > Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag?

                                                                                                Waving a flag is not a problem in itself. You can be proud of being part of whatever group you like and not hurt anyone. The problem is when the flag becomes the prism through which you see the world. Or, as the statue puts it, when you’re blinded by it.

                                                                                                • cm2012 2 hours ago

                                                                                                  Both Israel and Palestine are blinded by ideology. It is a very common failure mode for people.

                                                                                                  • runarberg an hour ago

                                                                                                    When one is a colony of the other the flag of the colonized has added symbol of decolonization. The flag of the colonizers has no such symbol, quite the contrary in fact. These two flags are clearly distinct.

                                                                                                    • hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 2 hours ago

                                                                                                      Any attempt at "both sides" messaging is just an attempt of diversion from ethnic cleansing. Cute messages break down the moment you look at things more concretely.

                                                                                                      Even if you don't care about palestine, keep in mind imperialist states never stop at one place as we are already seeing.

                                                                                                      • lukan 2 hours ago

                                                                                                        So ... Hamas does not want to do ethnic cleansing and attempted that a couple of times, but simply were not as powerful to have a bigger impact?

                                                                                                        • t-3 2 hours ago

                                                                                                          Resistance to illegal occupation and colonization isn't ethnic cleansing, it's a legal right as ruled by every international body since Israel was formed. Totally false equivalence.

                                                                                                          • lukan an hour ago

                                                                                                            If you want to remove a certain set of people from land (people who were born there btw.) you are engaging in ethnic cleansing. The definition is clear here.

                                                                                                    • garyfirestorm 2 hours ago

                                                                                                      waving any flag and thinking its us or them is equally blinding. the world is not vacuum and to coexist we need to put flags behind and work together.

                                                                                                  • Fezzik 2 hours ago

                                                                                                    Most galvanizing statements have been pithy and comprehensible to 13 year olds. The general population is not doing a deep dive in to something like Thoreau’s “Resistance to Civil Government,” contemplating the proper role of government, and then getting fired up to act. We need CliffsNotes, slogans, and visible art like this.

                                                                                                    • ryandrake 2 hours ago

                                                                                                      Heaven forbid someone tries to communicate a point with art.

                                                                                                      • pippy 2 hours ago

                                                                                                        The irony is that the statue is being guarded by the London police.

                                                                                                        • ungreased0675 an hour ago

                                                                                                          That’s not irony. It’s a pro-establishment piece. If it was a piece about migrants raping British women Banksy would be in jail right now.

                                                                                                        • infinitewars 2 hours ago

                                                                                                          I think it deserves credit for being both simple and original.

                                                                                                          • touwer 2 hours ago

                                                                                                            So, you are 14 and you understand the world? Doesn't seem like it

                                                                                                            • yakkomajuri 2 hours ago

                                                                                                              It doesn't need to be super layered to be impactful?

                                                                                                              Plus the execution is also part of the art.

                                                                                                              • CPLX 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                Actually it’s a great example of something different, where the person who was original and eventually becomes ubiquitous and groundbreaking and widely imitated to the point where it's hard to understand just how original they actually are.

                                                                                                                There are many examples of the same thing: Andy Warhol and the soup cans and screen-printed portraits with different color backgrounds or Led Zeppelin and English folk hard rock songs that have hobbits in them are two of them.

                                                                                                                Eventually, it's hard to even process their work in the context of how predictable and trite it seems to be a few decades later.

                                                                                                                • stavros 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                  This works really well these days, when the average person is 13.

                                                                                                                  • booleandilemma an hour ago

                                                                                                                    Account created last year, is Banksy your patron saint?

                                                                                                                    • rvba 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                      Really riles up PE types and "patriots" though.

                                                                                                                      • TacticalCoder 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                        He's also king of the "I'll criticize the west but I'll turn a blind-eye to non-democratic countries' wrongdoings". A trait shared with virtually all intellectuals and artists in the west.

                                                                                                                        There are fights worth fighting: for example there are 300 million women alive who have undergone forced genital mutilation. 300 million ain't cheap change. There are also hundreds of millions of people who applauded the killing of 1200 young civilians who were enjoying life at a music festival "because it's resistance".

                                                                                                                        Applauding the killing of young unarmed civilians, genitally mutilating women and turning a blind-eye to a regime slaughtering 30 000+ of its own unarmed civilians is where I personally draw the line and consider there are maybe more important things to complain about than, say, "the patriarchal western society built by heterosexual white men" or some other woke non-sense like that.

                                                                                                                        Now to be honest Banksy did art criticizing war overall, not just war started by the west. So a generous reading could consider that he also criticizes things like the 800 000 deaths during the Hutu vs Tutsi war.

                                                                                                                        But still overall: lots of balls from western artists when it's about criticizing the west, but tiny tiny nuts when it's about, say, attacking the ideology that is responsible for 300 people enjoying music at the Bataclan and then getting slaughtered.

                                                                                                                        But these people can live with their own conscience: I speak up and I've got mine.

                                                                                                                        • constantius 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                          That's a lot of imaginary flaws in imaginary people, with imaginary numbers as scaffolding.

                                                                                                                          The moral posture you're criticising is not actually a thing, I personally don't know of any Western intellectual who criticises the West but is fine with FGM for example. But it seems that the fault you find in them is that when they criticise the West, for example, they don't also add a list of grievances against all the other countries (but surely they'd have to speak for 10 hours every time they open their mouths?).

                                                                                                                          It's also funny how you take the 30,000 Iranian civilians killed at face value, but don't talk about the wrongs of the British empire. And you didn't even mention North Korea once. You see the issue with your reqs?

                                                                                                                          • bravoetch 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                            Are you making art to fill that perceived gap, or just lodging your objection to people doing their own thing? No artist owes you a curriculum of your design.

                                                                                                                            • zuminator 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                              There's a lot wrong with the world, but it seems not unreasonable for people to more strongly critique things 1) they feel they have some responsibility for or 2) that directly impact them or 3) where their criticisms are more likely to result in positive change.

                                                                                                                              • delusional 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                What do you want the artists to do about it? Part of art's power is shining a light on something we don't notice day to day. Most westeners are against mutilation, what would the art say?

                                                                                                                                Art will always be about speaking truth to power, and that power will usually be the one closest felt. There's not much value in a swede speaking truth to Nigerian warlords.

                                                                                                                              • vkou 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                This criticism would carry more weight if the people this statue criticises had the intellectual and emotional maturity beyond that of a teenager.

                                                                                                                                Unfortunately, they often don't meet that bar, so the message has to be in a form they can understand.

                                                                                                                                • 9dev 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                  "They'd be pretty angry if they could read"

                                                                                                                                  • krapp 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                    You're being downvoted but honestly the "everyone is twelve now" meme explains our collective societal dysfunction perfectly.

                                                                                                                                    There's no point to complexity or subtlety in art anymore, or even any kind of symbolism at all. Anything that needs to be interpreted, that doesn't have a single objective meaning which gets spelled out for you. Flag man is silly. Everyone is twelve now.

                                                                                                                                    • Lerc 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                      Lana Wachowski has said that the Red Pill movement taught her that no matter how unsubtle you are, it's still too subtle for some people.

                                                                                                                                      • tialaramex an hour ago

                                                                                                                                        Huh. I hadn't thought about how the "Red Pill movement" would feel for the Wachowskis, yeah, there's truly no limit to how oblivious people can be and this thread is illustrative.

                                                                                                                                      • toomanyrichies an hour ago

                                                                                                                                        100%. One can't advocate for the dismantling of the Dept. of Education, the tearing down of "educational elites", and the wholesale banning of books, while at the same time crying foul when people say they have the intellectual capacity of a 12-year-old.

                                                                                                                                    • jiriro 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                      > Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.

                                                                                                                                      You are wrong.

                                                                                                                                      • odyssey7 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                        Maybe, but in 100 years, people looking back on the current era will easily understand the work. It symbolically communicates something about the spirit of the age.

                                                                                                                                      • declan_roberts 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                        Things were more fun when they were actually transgressive and not just the established doctrine of those in power.

                                                                                                                                        • _hark 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                          Yeah. The safety of the message is underwritten by its state sanction.

                                                                                                                                        • tommica 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                          Yeah, definetly had the city agree to it, no way in hell to sneak a statue like that without the cops getting involved.

                                                                                                                                          • robocat an hour ago

                                                                                                                                            Apparently not:

                                                                                                                                              Westminster City Council has told the BBC it did not grant permission, as it was not given advance warning that Banksy's team was planning this installation.
                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                            https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4pvyw82exo

                                                                                                                                            Council permits are usually quite public (in my country). Sneaking it in becomes part of the artwork.

                                                                                                                                            • vscode-rest 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                              The trick is not to sneak it. Hi Viz and some yellow flashing lights. Couple smooth talkers.

                                                                                                                                              • sowbug 37 minutes ago
                                                                                                                                                • consp 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                  Pretty much what we learned as student when we were doing something which we technically had no permit for (like digging out some stuff, using it for a theme party and putting it backs few days later). Put on some hiviz and nobody is the wiser.

                                                                                                                                                • gib444 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                  Agreed. Also why it's totally inoffensive

                                                                                                                                                  (Though it's not in /the/ City of London. That wouldn't happen in a million years! City of Westminster is way more culturally flexible)

                                                                                                                                                  • tialaramex 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                    It doesn't make sense in the City. Waterloo Place, where he put this, has a bunch of statues already for tourists to gawp at, just now as well as "Bloke on a Horse who was an important military leader" there's this guy stepping off his plinth because the flag blocks him from seeing what's in front of him.

                                                                                                                                                    The City is dead at night. If an artist wants to put art there, they'd just as somebody else said, dress up like they are workmen and be fine.

                                                                                                                                                    • peteri 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                      I dunno they were flexible with the Piranha art work displaying it in the guildhall temporarily.

                                                                                                                                                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2qz89nk11o

                                                                                                                                                    • encom 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                      Banksy (Robin Gunningham) is the most mainstream establishment artist, while thinks himself a counter-culture revolutionary. That's what makes him so cringe. He's just another champagne socialist.

                                                                                                                                                      • BoingBoomTschak an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                        "The Underground is a Lie", successful version.

                                                                                                                                                        • Ancapistani an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                          Perhaps, but he’s also a talented artist.

                                                                                                                                                          One of my favorite contemporary musicians is a Socialist Filipino rapper who lives in LA. I can enjoy the music while finding the ideology abhorrent because they are two separate things.

                                                                                                                                                          • lucketone 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                            Somebody has to enlighten mimosa-party participants about socialism.

                                                                                                                                                        • seydor 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                          Anyone else leaving up a huge statue in the middle of the park would be arrested

                                                                                                                                                          • daseiner1 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                            seems missed in the general commentary that there is also an inherent commentary on the western tradition of “blind justice” https://i.etsystatic.com/13403651/r/il/40b0bf/6851322246/il_...

                                                                                                                                                            • danparsonson an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                              How so? The concept of the 'blindness' of justice is antithetical to blind patriotism.

                                                                                                                                                            • sb057 an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                              Had this statue been erected in 2006, it would’ve been an immortal masterpiece. Had it been sculpted in 2016, it would still have been a great statue but flawed. But it was made in 2026. Alas, what can one say?

                                                                                                                                                              • varispeed 22 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                                It's kind of cheap. Obviously saying "Reform bad." without addressing why so many people think it's not bad. Banksy forgets that humans are humans and do human things.

                                                                                                                                                                • nielsbot 18 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                                  My takeaway is "blind nationalism is idiotic and self defeating", but I'm not British. Is that about Reform (the party)?

                                                                                                                                                                • xyzelement 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                  It took me a minute to figure out why I think it's lame.

                                                                                                                                                                  I suspect that Banksy and his fans are sure that it's "the other" Britons that are blinded, it's not a self-reflection prompt for them. Maybe I am wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe a more powerful piece of art would have that self reflection effect across the board. As is it feels about as nuanced as "fuck trump" and similar. If you already agree you already agree, if not then you just think it's stupid. So ultimately feels like impotent art unless I am totally misunderstanding.

                                                                                                                                                                  • ninjagoo 15 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                                    > It took me a minute to figure out why I think it's lame.

                                                                                                                                                                    > Maybe a more powerful piece of art would have that self reflection effect across the board. As is it feels about as nuanced as "fuck trump" and similar. If you already agree you already agree, if not then you just think it's stupid.

                                                                                                                                                                    So close. Based on your own statement, it appears that you disagree with the proposed thesis by this piece of art.

                                                                                                                                                                    > So ultimately feels like impotent art unless I am totally misunderstanding.

                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe you should re-examine why you think it is stupid/lame. Is it because it calls you out and you don't like that feeling?

                                                                                                                                                                    • lschueller 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                      So many people connect this to political topics... For me this is the genius thing about the statue. Seems to be, that quite a lot people are so wrapped up in political debates and political positions, that it has to have political meaning. Maybe this statue is the exact opposit thing of a political message.

                                                                                                                                                                      • lucketone 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                        Is it that important to decode what author thought when he was making it?

                                                                                                                                                                        What if the design was made by generative model, does the statue become more or less valuable?

                                                                                                                                                                        • fylo 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                          Are you trying to be ironic?

                                                                                                                                                                          • delusional 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                            Yet us talking about it just prompted me to consider how that applies to my life, so something good came of it :)

                                                                                                                                                                            • LightBug1 an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                              I don't think it's impotent at all.

                                                                                                                                                                              I think you're wildly overestimating the general population's capacity for nuance.

                                                                                                                                                                              Particularly in a world where nuance goes the same way as wood logs near a fire place.

                                                                                                                                                                            • AlexandrB 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                              Which flag?

                                                                                                                                                                              • rootlocus 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                The one he's carrying.

                                                                                                                                                                                • shocks 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                  Any flag.

                                                                                                                                                                                  • Simulacra 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                    A black flag!

                                                                                                                                                                                  • BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                    Whoooosh

                                                                                                                                                                                    • LightBug1 an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                      And others in this thread were worried about it being too obvious ... ffs

                                                                                                                                                                                    • metalman 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                      Statue of a man in a suit walking off a precipice while blinding himself with the flag he is carrying.

                                                                                                                                                                                      https://banksy.co.uk/index.html

                                                                                                                                                                                      • Simulacra 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                        I can't get over the flag itself… It's a black flag. Not a British flag, not a white flag,… A BLACK flag.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Historically, the black flag is strongly associated with anarchism, anti-state politics, revolt, and rejection of national authority.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Had he colored it in the union jack, then I would've said it was nationalism, and the person is blinded by nationalism.

                                                                                                                                                                                        But. This is Banksy, black-and-white Banksy, so there may be no symbolism behind the black flag, but it's just very interesting. I can't accept that he would not have considered the color of the flag.

                                                                                                                                                                                        • jamesmccann 5 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's a monochrome artwork so there is no colour assigned to the flag, rather than it being specifically black.

                                                                                                                                                                                          • danparsonson an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                            It's styled after other bronze statues that are all one colour because of the material. Given the context in which he put this up, it's a pretty clear commentary on nationalism in general, so using a specific country's flag wouldn't work.

                                                                                                                                                                                            • Simulacra 19 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                                                              I get the unifying color, but I still think there's a hidden meaning

                                                                                                                                                                                            • Ancapistani an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                              It’s Banksy. He uses color to highlight things or where the color is important. Here, I assume the flag is intentionally indistinguishable.

                                                                                                                                                                                              • mindslight 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                I think it's about being slightly more subtle than a frontal attack on a specific flag.

                                                                                                                                                                                                But from an American perspective a guy wearing a suit while carrying an "anarchist" flag wouldn't be inappropriate, either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                • Simulacra 18 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                  But what is the anarchist flag?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Ancapistani an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Why not?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    We anarchists with careers do in fact exist. There are probably dozens of us outside of tech, even!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    • mindslight an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                      How would you say your numbers compare to the amount of business leaders who are marketing themselves with messages of liberation, but actually want to usher in an era of unfettered corporate authoritarianism? I was not saying an anarchist wearing a suit cannot exist. Rather I was pointing out the current pop culture abuse of the concepts of anarchism/libertarianism.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Ancapistani an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I’m not sure; lots of people self-identify as anarchists while holding beliefs that are diametrically opposed to my own, and lots of people who are much closer to my own beliefs call themselves other things because they’re either afraid of the word “anarchism” or understand it to mean something else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If I had to ballpark it, I’d guess something like 1:5 people in tech are broadly aligned with me politically (meaning “less extreme, but directionally similar”) while maybe 1:100 would self-identify as an anarchist and 1:500 both self-identify and align fully with me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Does that help?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  • runarberg an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Black flags are never depicted being wielded in this way. The stance and the clothes of the person carrying the flag are two more artistic shorthands that makes it very clear that this is a national flag, not a black flag of solidarity.

                                                                                                                                                                                                • nothinkjustai 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                  If someone was to deface this statue would they face legal action? It’s kind of an interesting thought, side if it really was just put up without the city’s authority it would be okay, and if it wasn’t it defeats the entire point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  “Rage against the machine” by doing what the machine wants type thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  • petermcneeley an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Really makes you wonder about other things as well...

                                                                                                                                                                                                    • declan_roberts an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes. This is state-sanctioned think. They probably paid to put it up!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      • lucketone an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                        That evil city council..

                                                                                                                                                                                                      • slopinthebag 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wind bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        • haunter 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                          He definitely got a permit for that which makes the whole thing even more laughable

                                                                                                                                                                                                          • CPLX 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                            There's no definitely about that at all. The city of Westminster issued a statement that seems fairly clear that they were as surprised as everybody else but are taking steps to protect it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            • tialaramex 22 minutes ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, one of my distant friends is a councillor in a borough where Banksy did a mural years back and it was definitely much more about ensuring the standing "Send in workers to paint over any graffiti" reaction doesn't happen than some sort of "That's nice, the committee which issued the permit for this didn't tell me when it would happen". So far as she told me she heard about it the same way most people did, it was on the local news that morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          • jansan 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Who decides that this is from Banksy? I could make a stencil graffiti in my village and claim it's from Banksy and noone could prove me wrong. Or is he using a digital signature as proof of authorship?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            • matteason 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                              He posts on his Instagram to verify authenticity: https://www.instagram.com/p/DXwf7pis6KT

                                                                                                                                                                                                              • vessenes 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                If you want to know authenticity, you submit to https://pestcontroloffice.com/auth1.asp -- they verify / deny, and that is the final word.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                • bjourne 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Is that site for real? It almost seems like some kind of Monty Pythonesque humour site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              • seydor 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                His agent would tell the media that your vandalism is not genuine

                                                                                                                                                                                                              • nickdothutton 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Remember kids. Don't believe in anything. Don't join anything. Don't give even a small part of yourself up to anything. Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                • wartywhoa23 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself that treats you as expendable human oil.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • lucketone an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Stop and reflect for a moment. Then continue as usual (quite likely)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • wartywhoa23 an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I had to check your other comments and now I get it that you still regard flags as having some sacred meaning in the great national past, but for me they always were about gathering as much human expendables underneath.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sure, they might have had generated enough sacred reverence, those bloodbaths of past.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • lucketone an hour ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        > you still regard flags as having some sacred meaning

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would like to disagree on this point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You forgot to add:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ... that blinds you to any alternative; that indoctrinates distrust in different perspectives; that elevates the humanity of fellow believers above others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • bdangubic 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      much more sound advice than you think…

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • dickens5 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Trite and uninspiring. Banksy trying to stay relevant and failing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • lschueller 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, for a failing artist he is quite impactful, isn't he? News around the world reporting about it. People discussing it. This seems to be quite inspiring and anything else but failing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Got you to comment, job done. Engagement: tick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • MrBuddyCasino 3 hours ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Really makes you think. I guess Palestine and Ukraine should just give up.